cowl Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Dizzys Dad said: How do you improve players without coaching staff? We have coaches though. We pulled Thompson back off the U23s to cover while Monk waits for his first-choice coach (Beattie) to become available. In fact, Thompson, Bullen and Monk himself were all defenders in their day so they ought to be able to coach Iorfa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzys Dad Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, owlsdreamer said: Think the clue is in your name. FFS It’s my daughter that’s Dizzy, not me. If you have dreams about Wednesday, watch some muck and banish the nightmares. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc_Degryse Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Jacob Murphy Liam Palmer etc Lets not just lie and make stuff up about Monk I'd add Morgan Fox to that list. Mainly defenders in other words, seeing how Monk used to be a defender and all... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Morepork said: We can't pin what I'm about to say on DC but I think it was reasonable to hope it might improve under his tenure. Successful football clubs improve players, fact. So, 5 seasons in, a considerable amount of players signed and yet, how many have we managed to improve in that time? Some have had good seasons. Bannan and Forestieri's first seasons at the club. Reach last season, this year its gone off a cliff...... Others have had short periods of form (not much, certainly not enough....) But, none of them have shown a sustained improvement. This is borne out by the lack of interest in our players from other clubs. I can't think of any player we've consistently improved as a footballer. We're now in the same position with Iorfa IMO. Now I don't think he's had a great season but, I do think its reasonable to argue that he's improved. Whilst he's always got a mistake in him, to his credit his physical attributes quite often get him out of jail. We won't change change this about him, it's ultimately the reason he's not playing at a higher level. So, that being said, simple question, do we sell and raise a few quid or hope against the odds that we don't regress him next season to the point at which he has no value? Unless a ridiculous offer comes in keep him. He is the age and type of whole hearted player we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinmad Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 If big Dom has been writing on the wall he should be transfer listed AND put on the naughty step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Cast your mind back to pre season last Summer, before Bruce packed his bags. I Remember being in Portugal for the pre season, and being quietly confident about the coming season. We were looking forward to a good season, we had a decent squad a decent manager, a couple of good additions and we looked like we had a plan. One thing changed. Just one. Now we are at the end of that very same season, with everyone glad it’s over, where players who last summer were heroes are now pariahs ( FF, Hutch Fletch Westwood) broken ( lees Lee Palmer widsmith Dawson BB Reach) or gone ( Fox and the loaners). We have had a season of awful football, some hammering, hillsborough empty at half time, lowest home scorers in the league ( though highest away?) a team devoid of ideas energy and work, a broken and disassociated fan base, and facing our lowest season ticket sales for a good few years. The chairman is the same, the squad has been the same, the fans are the same fans. so what happened? How did we get from there to here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Iorfa could do with checking his studs before the game (along with the vast majority of the squad). The amount of times they slip (see Fulhams first goal) is criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Iorfa isn’t the premier league player everyone thinks he is - that’s the real reason. very good at this level though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Dizzys Dad said: How do you improve players without coaching staff? Don't be sensible...people on here expect Monk to a miracle worker with no help!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, GMOwl72 said: measured against what though?? Footballers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Dizzys Dad said: I think Monk has worked his t*ts off. How can anyone do more given the absolute lack of staff at his disposal. I think he’s shown desire and bottle, to try and sort this shambolic disaster of a club out. I never get why people make a thing out of working hard as if its a badge of honour. Life is all about results and achievements, not just trying... if you want to be a success that is. Some people achieve results without working that hard because they don't need to. Others work very hard but don't achieve anything. Some have ability but don't work hard and don't achieve the results that they potentially could. That latter group deserve flack, the first group deserve some slack because the results are there and the middle group deserve the sack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Owls Loyal said: Dizzy's Dad must enjoy his football at Bramall Lane. Definite pork alert!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 hours ago, 83owl said: He’s the second coming of Jeremy helan. Good athlete, bang average defender. And Reda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Dizzys Dad said: How do you improve players without coaching staff? don't fall out with your number two at Brum , then he would have come , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Plonk said: Cast your mind back to pre season last Summer, before Bruce packed his bags. I Remember being in Portugal for the pre season, and being quietly confident about the coming season. We were looking forward to a good season, we had a decent squad a decent manager, a couple of good additions and we looked like we had a plan. One thing changed. Just one. Now we are at the end of that very same season, with everyone glad it’s over, where players who last summer were heroes are now pariahs ( FF, Hutch Fletch Westwood) broken ( lees Lee Palmer widsmith Dawson BB Reach) or gone ( Fox and the loaners). We have had a season of awful football, some hammering, hillsborough empty at half time, lowest home scorers in the league ( though highest away?) a team devoid of ideas energy and work, a broken and disassociated fan base, and facing our lowest season ticket sales for a good few years. The chairman is the same, the squad has been the same, the fans are the same fans. so what happened? How did we get from there to here? some of us worked it out but the apathy lot haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefdave Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Morepork said: Now I don't think he's had a great season but, I do think its reasonable to argue that he's improved. That's due to Bullen being a top class Estate Agent coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Morepork said: We can't pin what I'm about to say on DC but I think it was reasonable to hope it might improve under his tenure. Successful football clubs improve players, fact. So, 5 seasons in, a considerable amount of players signed and yet, how many have we managed to improve in that time? Some have had good seasons. Bannan and Forestieri's first seasons at the club. Reach last season, this year its gone off a cliff...... Others have had short periods of form (not much, certainly not enough....) But, none of them have shown a sustained improvement. This is borne out by the lack of interest in our players from other clubs. I can't think of any player we've consistently improved as a footballer. We're now in the same position with Iorfa IMO. Now I don't think he's had a great season but, I do think its reasonable to argue that he's improved. Whilst he's always got a mistake in him, to his credit his physical attributes quite often get him out of jail. We won't change change this about him, it's ultimately the reason he's not playing at a higher level. So, that being said, simple question, do we sell and raise a few quid or hope against the odds that we don't regress him next season to the point at which he has no value? Jeez, I fuc*in hope not. If we can get x mill for Iorfa or 20 quid for Lees. Take the 20 Quid & i'll double it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 One thing I’d like to think is that DC must now see that continuing to pay players until their contract run down is counter-productive and that you have to sell to keep a business running smoothly. A couple of simple reasons are as follows: 1) It freshens up the playing staff. 2) I my generated income. 3) It keeps players on their toes. In comparison to other clubs in the league we don’t generate that much on outgoings. We’ve also had a stale squad for 2-3 seasons and if players aren’t fearful of being sold or dropped then they find themselves in a comfort zone that doesn’t benefit the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaton_Swfc Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I enjoy that one game in 15 where he plays like his boots are on the wrong feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsons Cross Owl Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Monk is king midas in reverse, the players have actually got worse under him, if possible. Monk out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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