oldtawnyowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It's so easy to sit at home and discuss how to reduce someone else's wages, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, oldtawnyowl said: It's so easy to sit at home and discuss how to reduce someone else's wages, innit? eh? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 16 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Simple. Every player who signs for a Premier league club has a clause inserted in their contract saying upon relegation their wage will drop to £13.800 in line with the EFL wage cap. This would mean failure payments could be scrapped immediately. For Christ Sake! Stop having common sense good ideas, especially on here. You're making the EFL look a right set of stupid cu.........s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, torryowl said: 60-61 season ........the salaries where capped and the jimmy hill led a players revolt and got it scrapped ....long time ago but if they try to bring capping i could well see the union kicking up . I thought you may have been referring to this. It was to lift a £20 cap on weekly wages, which at the time would've been ‘merely’ a very good working class wage. The public at the time were even somewhat supportive of Hill's efforts. Players in 2020 striking against a cap being imposed on wages at about £14k would be met with the fiercest public anger though, and that ultimately matters a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, cowl said: I thought you may have been referring to this. It was to lift a £20 cap on weekly wages, which at the time would've been ‘merely’ a very good working class wage. The public at the time were even somewhat supportive of Hill's efforts. Players in 2020 striking against a cap being imposed on wages at about £14k would be met with the fiercest public anger though, and that ultimately matters a lot. It might well do - if you were in their position though and could earn fantastic, life changing money for yourself and family, what would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, CalmJimmers said: It might well do - if you were in their position though and could earn fantastic, life changing money for yourself and family, what would you do? What does that matter if the strike was to fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, cowl said: What does that matter if the strike was to fail? I'd personally see what was available to me. If a team in France or Germany or China or Russia or the US or Sweden or Holland offered me more money then I'd consider it, especially if it was significantly more. Therefore, player exodus, rubbish players then get the max wage because teams are scrapping for them, so the quality significantly deteriorates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, CalmJimmers said: I'd personally see what was available to me. If a team in France or Germany or China or Russia or the US or Sweden or Holland offered me more money then I'd consider it, especially if it was significantly more. Therefore, player exodus, rubbish players then get the max wage because teams are scrapping for them, so the quality significantly deteriorates. How many foreign clubs have a wage budget that exceeds £18m. I'd wager it'll not be many. In fact apart from the CL regulars, I doubt they'll be any. What's Ajax's budget for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, CalmJimmers said: Depends if the players union vote against the salary cap, expect a lot would then go to somewhere else to earn better money if so. Quality of the competition would go down, whilst the best of a bad bunch would be getting paid far more than they would ever have done. Maximum spend allows you to negotiate contracts, but would still expect to see some players leave. Just not on the scale if a union voted a salary cap down. I think a reduction in the quality of the footballers playing in the league is something that just has to be accepted though as a very possible outcome. Maybe a 'maximum spend' route would bestow certain advantages over a system which caps salary by maintaining a degree of uncertainty when it comes to negotiating contracts - but it's not obvious who the advantage would be to - player or club? Either way, it's not going to offset the fact that clubs would end up getting maybe a couple of marquee-style signings, and the rest presumably at a lower standard; it's surely unavoidable however you impose limits on wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: Totally agree with having a salary cap as long as its a straight across the board same for every team. Maybe even give the promoted teams a slice of the parachute payments?? (though I doubt that will happen) to make it a completely level playing field for everyone. Why should it be a level playing field...that’s small club mentality, why should let’s say Barnsley be able to spend their entire commercial revenue on wages whilst, let’s say Leeds (or Villa) can only spend a 3rd of their income on wages. There’s needs to be a cap but it can’t be across the board unless it’s 80% or so off the biggest clubs revenue (or based on revenue) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, CalmJimmers said: I'd personally see what was available to me. If a team in France or Germany or China or Russia or the US or Sweden or Holland offered me more money then I'd consider it, especially if it was significantly more. Therefore, player exodus, rubbish players then get the max wage because teams are scrapping for them, so the quality significantly deteriorates. If our leagues are less attractive then so be it. Many foreign leagues were superior to ours back in the 80s and 90s - what of it? I'm not sure I enjoy watching football more now on account of the footballers on show being better now than they were back then. And how good a foreign league is only becomes overtly relevant for club sides when they're in a European competition - and that's only very, very rarely an opportunity that a Championship club would have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, cowl said: I thought you may have been referring to this. It was to lift a £20 cap on weekly wages, which at the time would've been ‘merely’ a very good working class wage. The public at the time were even somewhat supportive of Hill's efforts. Players in 2020 striking against a cap being imposed on wages at about £14k would be met with the fiercest public anger though, and that ultimately matters a lot. sounds a lot and is lot but some of them wouldnt be getting 14k ....if its 18 million per club as stated you only need the star striker to be getting 30k and mid field playmaker 25k then thats going to impact on what the rest get .......you could refuse to pay that wage for the star players but then theyd probably be a good chance they wouldnt sign for you ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Only a salary cap in leagues one and two will be introduced. Dont see it working in the premier league and championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, torryowl said: sounds a lot and is lot but some of them wouldnt be getting 14k ....if its 18 million per club as stated you only need the star striker to be getting 30k and mid field playmaker 25k then thats going to impact on what the rest get .......you could refuse to pay that wage for the star players but then theyd probably be a good chance they wouldnt sign for you ............ But even now clubs often lose out on a player because they can't afford to pay them what another club would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Manwë said: Only £14k a week? They will have to find a way around this injustice, imagine only earning in a week what a nurse earns in six months. Would cap it lower personally, if some lower league players think La Liga are going to come begging they can think again. Clubs are going under, supporters are not allowed to enter the premises, staff are losing their jobs. Players cannot be immune from society. 100000000% this. Let the best players get the mega wonga in the prem. It's about time mediocre players stop earning stupid wages. If they don't like it...good luck finding another country willing to pay it. I'd love the lower leagues (championship) to cap wages at 5k a week. I'm sure u can still get very decent players on that. You wouldn't even notice a difference in the playing standard. It's still way more than most leagues across the world pay their players. Edited July 17, 2020 by trev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnishOwl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 With real top players, a salary cap would only work in a closed league. That's one reason why it works in the NHL and adds a tactic element to the game what comes to transfers. Having one in the lower levels than PL would probably work as well. It's clear that the majority of the players would not get the same amount of money anywhere else than in English football so they would just have to accept it. It would definitely make things healthier. Let PL eat itself and concentrate on the levels where there still is some hope left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 17 hours ago, agentwalker said: Question is what happens in situations like derby and Rooney? he's a player, his fair share, or go to china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentwalker Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, dorian gray said: he's a player, his fair share, or go to china. check my later post basically Derbys sponsor payed nearly all his wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Shez said: Why should it be a level playing field...that’s small club mentality, why should let’s say Barnsley be able to spend their entire commercial revenue on wages whilst, let’s say Leeds (or Villa) can only spend a 3rd of their income on wages. There’s needs to be a cap but it can’t be across the board unless it’s 80% or so off the biggest clubs revenue (or based on revenue) They won't scrap the parachute payments, so my comment was more in the way FFP works now. Relagated teams getting and extra £25 million on top of their FFP in there first season dropping down after years which makes the FFP unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daizan10 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 19 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Simple. Every player who signs for a Premier league club has a clause inserted in their contract saying upon relegation their wage will drop to £13.800 in line with the EFL wage cap. This would mean failure payments could be scrapped immediately. I like this. It would completely incentivise staying up and cut out the rewarding of failure. It could also be marketed to the players as just the way it is: if you don't like it, don't get relegated. Get it sorted!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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