Guest Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, room0035 said: Any rules only work if 24 teams in the league have the same rules. If Premier league teams are exempt what's the point. Each team should have the same set budget of say £25m they choose if it goes on salaries, fees, loans. If you break it by 1p you are unable to be promoted and the next team down is it replace you in the play offs/ automatics. This only works with all 24 teams having the same rules. Parachute Payments are excluded as income thus pending them useless to get a competitive advantage. The Premier League will never let it happen though. What could also help is scrapping the transfer window so clubs don't have to carry extra players. Then teams could have 1st team squad of 20 players instead of needing 25+. Combined with spending/salary caps an always open transfer window could actually work well, as you wouldn't have the problems you'd have with it now, could fizz with the playoffs a bit. Is it allowed by FIFA though? As far as I'm aware there isn't anywhere with an always open transfer window, but I may well be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It’s a great idea if it’s done properly. If players had a relegation clause in their contracts it would negate the need for parachute payments, and would totally level this corrupt playing field we now have.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think Sheffield United’s average wage is less than the 13,800 a week so it’s certainly possible to establish yourself in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It doesn't have to work in conjunction with the EPL and parachute payments. The EFL are independent (ha!) of the EPL and clubs in the EFL play by the rules of the EFL. Don't make it complicated, state these are the rules and you must obey them. Make 1 or 2 points deducted for every £1m over the budget, applied the same season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Nonsense IMO If people have money, let them spend it. Go after the ones that don't pay bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulsar Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 14 hours ago, NeonLeon said: Considering it’ll dilute the PL if they enforce it straight away, I’d imagine they’ll give relegated clubs 3 seasons to comply. I'd only give them 30 seconds to comply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockieOwl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Owl999 said: I think Sheffield United’s average wage is less than the 13,800 a week so it’s certainly possible to establish yourself in the prem United had a wage bill over £40m last season so not sure how you work that out now that they are in the Premier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pahowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, RockieOwl said: United had a wage bill over £40m last season so not sure how you work that out now that they are in the Premier A lot of that would have been promotion bonuses (which are excluded from current P&S rules) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlsItGoing Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Not as simple as cap wages. Bonuses, signing fees etc will all have to have caps aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 14 hours ago, CalmJimmers said: A straight salary cap would not work, so many ways to get out of it, players unions won't support it, if they did they would go elsewhere worldwide. Have a maximum overall club spend, one where whatever the club spends their money on they cannot go above a certain amount. As soon as they do they get a points deduction and/or transfer embargo. Basically similar to what American sports have. Let's players still negotiate freely, but would drive wages down overall and gets rid of loopholes like paying a family member a stupid amount. But if you bring in a maximum overall club spend, wouldn't they still go elsewhere worldwide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, cowl said: But if you bring in a maximum overall club spend, wouldn't they still go elsewhere worldwide? Not necessarily, still free to negotiate, not a cap on what they can earn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, EXCALIBUR said: Norwich and other 2 relegated clubs will be exempt from this rule if it gets passed. Bent as a butchers hook. Yeh was just gonna post this. Its just a more draconian form of FFP designed to maintain the relegation promotion merry go round. Edited July 17, 2020 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, CalmJimmers said: Not necessarily, still free to negotiate, not a cap on what they can earn. No, not necessarily, but nor would it be the case that they would automatically go elsewhere (if that's such a terrible thing) if there were a straight salary cap. After all, one way or another we're talking about trying to bring a club's expenditure on wages down here, which can't really be done without accepting up front that certain players may well be lost to what would become more lucrative competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, OwlsItGoing said: Not as simple as cap wages. Bonuses, signing fees etc will all have to have caps aswell At least with bonuses they tend to be performance related, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 15 hours ago, jonnyowl said: Or roughly £13,800 per player per week for a squad of 25. This is being discussed by clubs this coming week. I support a salary cap but then FFP needs to be changed! What will happen to clubs relegated from premiership? Will they have an advantage? For those promoted, there going to have to dramatically increase their wage bill to compete. Totally agree with having a salary cap as long as its a straight across the board same for every team. Maybe even give the promoted teams a slice of the parachute payments?? (though I doubt that will happen) to make it a completely level playing field for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Manwë said: It doesn't have to work in conjunction with the EPL and parachute payments. The EFL are independent (ha!) of the EPL and clubs in the EFL play by the rules of the EFL. Don't make it complicated, state these are the rules and you must obey them. Make 1 or 2 points deducted for every £1m over the budget, applied the same season. Don't deduct any points it simple you break the rules you don't get promoted, if you are in the play off the team in 7th replaces you. The only way you get clubs to follow the rules is if by breaking them they don't get promotion, this need setting out from the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 12 hours ago, torryowl said: last time we had a salary cap the PFA voted to strike and the league caved in and binned it ......dont see this having the backing of the players . . When are we talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 hours ago, EXCALIBUR said: Norwich and other 2 relegated clubs will be exempt from this rule if it gets passed. Bent as a butchers hook. If this is the case then it will be the final nail in the coffin of the EFL and it is time for a vote of no confidence in the whole organisation the problem has always been the rules need to apply to all 24 team not 15-16. 2 votes failure payments are excluded from income when calculating P&S losses, a salary cap that includes all player remuneration (basic salary, bonuses, promotion bonuses, performance bonuses, merchandising etc). If we cannot agree then get rid of the EFL board and bring in people who will run a fair system for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, cowl said: When are we talking about here? 60-61 season ........the salaries where capped and the jimmy hill led a players revolt and got it scrapped ....long time ago but if they try to bring capping i could well see the union kicking up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, cowl said: No, not necessarily, but nor would it be the case that they would automatically go elsewhere (if that's such a terrible thing) if there were a straight salary cap. After all, one way or another we're talking about trying to bring a club's expenditure on wages down here, which can't really be done without accepting up front that certain players may well be lost to what would become more lucrative competitions. Depends if the players union vote against the salary cap, expect a lot would then go to somewhere else to earn better money if so. Quality of the competition would go down, whilst the best of a bad bunch would be getting paid far more than they would ever have done. Maximum spend allows you to negotiate contracts, but would still expect to see some players leave. Just not on the scale if a union voted a salary cap down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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