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6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:



Love this cliche


It gets trotted out by people who have literally no idea what his previous job record actually really is/was


But they trot it out because they've heard someone else say/post it

 

lol


Amazing

You sir are spouting utter tripe.

 

His track record is there on Wikipedia for anybody to see / check.

 

5 teams managed since 2014. No promotions to his name, never lasted more than 2 years at any of his clubs.

 

Now second worst record in Champ since Xmas at S6.

 

Forgive me, but the sooner we bin off Monk, the better off the club will be. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Ash77 said:

2 small mobile forwards can work on the break away, but hudds sat deeper and we launched it to small players vs cb's, crazy.

 

Needed murphy playing off nuhiu and windass in middle tonight, but ive given up on monk seeing basic stuff like that!

 

Which wing back/midfielder  would you have sacrificed to facilitate that? doing either would have weakened us defensively.  

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Just now, hasthagotanycheese said:

You sir are spouting utter tripe.

 

His track record is there on Wikipedia for anybody to see / check.

 

5 teams managed since 2014. No promotions to his name, never lasted more than 2 years at any of his clubs.

 

Now second worst record in Champ since Xmas at S6.

 

Forgive me, but the sooner we bin off Monk, the better off the club will be. 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Dagmeister's Shadow said:

Ok we disagree. I am happy for him to continue into next season. Probably just as well as there are no signs that he won't be doing.

I think Chansiri may be waiting for the first somebody else to become available. I think the big give-away is the lack of his own back room team.

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48 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

Mark my words

 

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10 hours ago, cookeh said:

 

13 shots to their 12. How dominant of us.
16% difference in possession, them having 58 to our 42.
Our pass success rate was 66%  66 ffs!
Wildsmith's pass complete was 21%! Lossl's was 55.
Their lowest outfield player was Chalobah at 67. Iorfa, Reach and Adthe were all below that with special mention for Moses, who managed just 52%
We won less just 37% of aerial balls.

Our tackles attempted was 35 to their 26, while their interceptions was almost double ours at 14.
 

 

Do you seriously pay attention to all that stuff as some kind of indicator of how a game has been? It's for obsessives and dilettantes who don't know any better. 

 

Just one example - a couple of years ago Manchester City went to Wigan in the FA Cup. They enjoyed 83% of the ball, making 845 passes to just 186, their accuracy was way better (90% against 61%), had 29 shots to 4, had a 15-0 edge in corners and even conceded half as many fouls.

 

They lost 1-0.

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1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

 

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For what its worth, I wouldnt have touched Clueloss with a bargepole with that CV.

 

CC's success was mainly down to the financial clout that Chansiri provided him with in his first two seasons.

 

As soon as the money ran out, Carlos got found out big style.

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13 hours ago, adelphi1867 said:

Tonight we had more shots at goal and more shots on target, forcing there G/K to get the MoM for me, where he had to make more saves than Wildsmith.

Yes they had a touch more possession than us, but possession alone does not win games.

Neither do shots on goal when the goalkeeper saves them

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3 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

I think Chansiri may be waiting for the first somebody else to become available. I think the big give-away is the lack of his own back room team.

 

You don't think it might have been just as indicative of a funding issue given how close we may be to the EFL's spending restrictions?

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2 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

I think Chansiri may be waiting for the first somebody else to become available. I think the big give-away is the lack of his own back room team.

Not really. Beattie was a target but unavailable. I expect him to rejoin Monk here at some stage. Compo cost is another issue. I doubt that DC is looking to replace Monk. 

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5 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

You don't think it might have been just as indicative of a funding issue given how close we may be to the EFL's spending restrictions?

 

4 minutes ago, Dagmeister's Shadow said:

Not really. Beattie was a target but unavailable. I expect him to rejoin Monk here at some stage. Compo cost is another issue. I doubt that DC is looking to replace Monk. 

 

Only time will tell. Sure we will find out as soon as the season ends.

 

I really worry for the future if DC decides that his best course of action is to back a manager thats such a serial failure.

 

I really hope that I'm proved wrong and that Monk leads us to glorious promotion next year with a record points total, conquering the Prem in 21-22 and then onto European glory the following season.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

 

 

Only time will tell. Sure we will find out as soon as the season ends.

 

I really worry for the future if DC decides that his best course of action is to back a manager thats such a serial failure.

 

I really hope that I'm proved wrong and that Monk leads us to glorious promotion next year with a record points total, conquering the Prem in 21-22 and then onto European glory the following season.

 

 

Brum fans rated Monk and in general were sorry to see him leave...... and that club was another basket case like us. Many Leeds fans rated him. It's not as if their late season blow up was unique to Monk. 

I'd rein in your hopes a bit too.

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18 minutes ago, Dagmeister's Shadow said:

Brum fans rated Monk and in general were sorry to see him leave...... and that club was another basket case like us. Many Leeds fans rated him. It's not as if their late season blow up was unique to Monk. 

I'd rein in your hopes a bit too.

Wonder how many Leeds fans would swap Monk for Bielsa?

 

Of course I was being daft with my hopes for what Monk can do with us. However you only have to look across the city to see what can be achieved when you have the right manager in charge. Third tier to potential European football in 4 seasons? Yoonited havnt chucked money around. They just have bloke who knows what he is doing

 

We are going nowhere under Monk.

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51 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Do you seriously pay attention to all that stuff as some kind of indicator of how a game has been? It's for obsessives and dilettantes who don't know any better. 

 

Just as an aside - and something Ive wanted to ask for ages.

Do you use words like 'dilettante' on Owlstalk as a kind of warning to people not to debate with you. The inference being that as you're clearly verbose and of sufficient intellect to drop words like that into your posts - that 99% of Owlstalkers would have to google to understand the context - that you're not to be messed with? lol 

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9 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

Wonder how many Leeds fans would swap Monk for Bielsa?

 

Of course I was being daft with my hopes for what Monk can do with us. However you only have to look across the city to see what can be achieved when you have the right manager in charge. Third tier to potential European football in 4 seasons? Yoonited havnt chucked money around. They just have bloke who knows what he is doing

 

We are going nowhere under Monk.

Like I said earlier we just don't agree. Wilder is an exceptional manager. They come around once in a blue moon. 

I genuinely expect Monk to do a good job turning this current shambles of a club round.

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Just now, Dagmeister's Shadow said:

Like I said earlier we just don't agree. Wilder is an exceptional manager. They come around once in a blue moon. 

I genuinely expect Monk to do a good job turning this current shambles of a club round.

Only time will tell.

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4 hours ago, billyblack said:

So it actually sounds like huddersfield were organised and played quite well. Rather than us just being totally useless and it all being Monks fault. Nice to hear.

 

Huddersfield did play well, and certainly looked hungry for it. The problem for them is that like us, they can't move the ball past the defensive line very well, and they struggled to create any real goal threat. Apart from that they closed down very quickly and never let us have any time on the ball, which exposes our lack of urgency and causes us to panic—leading to some terrible passes being played.

 

I've noticed this a few times this season—if a team harries us we can't deal with it. We looked better once we started playing longer passes into space and bypassing the closing down a bit, but I don't know whether that was Monk's doing or the players. Ultimately it feels like we suffer from not being quick enough, but also not being accurate enough or with enough ball control skills to up the pace.

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3 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

Just as an aside - and something Ive wanted to ask for ages.

Do you use words like 'dilettante' on Owlstalk as a kind of warning to people not to debate with you. The inference being that as you're clearly verbose and of sufficient intellect to drop words like that into your posts - that 99% of Owlstalkers would have to google to understand the context - that you're not to be messed with? lol 

 

Like using 'verbose' you mean? :bullen:

 

Language is powerful and illuminating. I find it frustrating that people rely so heavily on accepted wisdoms, cliches and stereotypes without thinking more deeply about how to express themselves. If I'm speaking or writing I like to avoid these and repetition as much as is practical. Long or unusual words are no guarantee of a quality or depth of argument in themselves. Anyone choosing to be intimidated by them may have their own reasons for being so. However, I still appreciate a short incisive point that gets right to the heart of the matter if that's appropriate.

 

Lord Snooty, for example, is someone who seems to consider a lot of his posts as some kind of art form. I usually find them amusing, perceptive and interesting. At no point have I considered him pretentious or attempting to position himself on the site in some way and it makes a pleasant change from "the manager is tactically naive, gerrim aht". Do you view him with similar suspicion?

 

Interestingly, many times I've been accused of being too flippant and only using images in my replies as well.

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12 hours ago, cookeh said:

 

13 shots to their 12. How dominant of us.
16% difference in possession, them having 58 to our 42.
Our pass success rate was 66%  66 ffs!
Wildsmith's pass complete was 21%! Lossl's was 55.
Their lowest outfield player was Chalobah at 67. Iorfa, Reach and Adthe were all below that with special mention for Moses, who managed just 52%
We won less just 37% of aerial balls.

Our tackles attempted was 35 to their 26, while their interceptions was almost double ours at 14.
 

So yes, their keeper had slightly more to do.. yay.

But we were garbage in pretty much every stat going.

 

 

 

Did you actually watch the game, or just studied the stats?

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