Sleepy Joes Cafe Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Steve Down South said: Shame about Match of Day tribute - according to them he managed Sheffield United. Also said it on BBC news this morning. Disgraceful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scram Posted July 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Steve Down South said: Shame about Match of Day tribute - according to them he managed Sheffield United. I don't normally get too precious about that kind of thing tbh - more mildly irritated But whoever did the research and allowed that utter tripe to end up in the final cut wants sacking This is way more than many players sadly passing This is one of only 11 Englishmen ever to win footballs greatest and most coveted prize And if they cannot be bothered to pay him due respect then they should be kicked out in disgrace One f*cking job you utter piece of shyte One job... Edited July 11, 2020 by scram 14 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, scram said: I don't normally get too precious about that kind of thing tbh - more mildly irritated But whoever did the research and allowed that utter tripe to end up in the final cut wants sacking This is way more than many players sadly passing This is one of only 11 Englishmen ever to win footballs greatest and most coveted prize And if they cannot be bothered to pay him due respect then they should be kicked out in disgrace One f*cking job you utter piece of shyte One job... This. The bbc has well paid researchers to support their output. They've had all day to look into his career. The 10pm news had a in depth leading article on Jack's career. The only omission? Yep, his 6 years at Swfc. Then you've got that luvvie Lineker, an ex England player. You'd think he'd have the awareness and knowledge of where jack managed in his time. It wasn't a long list you morons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Dragged our club from the absolute abyss of the old fourth division and sent us on a completely different path.From annihilating the scum on Boxing day after taking Arsenal to 5 matches then taking us to promotion in 1980 and then getting to the semi final in 83. Absolute legend that turned our club right back round and if only for a bit more cash would probably have sent us to the 1st division. No better manager in my 40 years of watching Wednesday and a proper genuine bloke. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loppy Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Was talking with my dad tonight. Dad used to work at Law Brothers. Did quite a few jobs on big Jack's Range Rover back in the day. Said the boot was amazing, absolutely rammed half full of fishing gear, and half full of football kit. He also mentioned how the boys at Law Bros. used to pop off for an lunchtime pint. Often the pub they were in Jack and Ian St. John would rock up. Always had time for everyone and would always talk to anyone about anything Wednesday. I personally only remember Jack Charlton from '94, but my dad had nothing but praise. Do wish we had more like that in today's football. RIP. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Jack was a man of his time,immortalised by his contribution to english football as one of the "boys of 66" English footballs finest day,and the lynch pin of a fine Leeds side that won honours at home and abroad. And later in management he achieved the "double" of fine player and manager,leading both Middlesborough ( with the free scoring John Hickton) & us to promotion,and the Irish national side to a sucessfull world cup campaign. His contribution to the club we love was a noteable one,a club on its last legs,no money,large debts,empty stadium,poor squad,but Jack wheeled and dealed to get the right blend,and put the club back on a sound footing,and left a team we ALL had pride in,sheffield born players ran through the squad,and we had a team that could lift our expectations 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Jack Charlton was a great footballer and a great football manager, but more than that he was a great man. He always had time for the fans, for a friendly word, some banter, maybe even a pint (or two) and made sure that those around him (players support staff etc.) did too. It's easy to give money when you have it and some are blessed with more of it than others, but we all are pushed when it comes to time and Big Jack always gave freely and generously of his. The fact that there are so many warm tributes to him not just on here but from all over the footballing world speaks far more about the character of the man than anything else. I just hope that we can create a lasting tribute for him at Hillsborough and whilst I love the idea of a statue of him fishing in the Don, my own personal thought is that renaming the North Stand after him with statues of both him and his wife Pat, sat where they were in the North Stand on that fateful day in October 1977 would be far better, after all, it's where his story at Wednesday all began. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 His goal per game ratio was also great for a centre back; 96 goals in 773 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 just watched the match of the day bit tribute to Jack- dusty in here again this has really got to me I agree with calls to some sort of lasting tribute to his part in our history 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wexowl Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Rest in peace big man you were a true gent above all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hirstysboots Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 My musings about a Wednesday legend: Growing up in the seventies, supporting Wednesday was quite an experience. The club was going through possibly its darkest period, relegation from the top flight was followed by a further drop to the third tier. There was an expectation, going to games, that we wouldn’t win. There was hope of course, the kind of hope that is based on a football supporter’s blind faith that something, somehow was going to change. But hope can be a terrible thing, especially when the situation you find yourself in is actually hopeless. An acceptance of mediocrity ran through the club; we were poor, we were on the brink and this was just how things were for the club and its fans. In 1977, Jack Charlton changed all that - and pretty much overnight. His appointment was the biggest turning point in our history so far. He was approached by the club, but he asked for a little time to consider the offer. He attended a home game, not at the invitation of the Chairman of the club, or the board of directors- he bought a ticket and sat with the fans in the North Stand. It needs pointing out here that despite the awfulness of the team, its results (we only avoided the drop to the fourth division by the skin of our teeth, beating Southend 2-1 at Hillsborough at the end of the 1975/76 season), and the terrible state the club was in, the supporters remained loyal, taking astonishing numbers of supporters to far flung away games such as Shrewsbury, Plymouth and Exeter. What Jack saw that day, as he watched the team defeat Chesterfield, was passion and loyalty from a fan base desperate for even the tiniest glimpse of positivity and change. They had convinced him that this was a job worth taking. Our fortunes took an upturn. The place was suddenly buzzing. We took Arsenal to three replays in the FA cup third round in 1979, the same Arsenal team that went on to win the Cup that year in a classic final against Man United. Jack signed good players - Terry Curran, Gary Bannister, Mick Lyons, Gary Shelton to name a few. He masterminded the Boxing Day Massacre in 1979 and our subsequent promotion back to Division 2. In 1983 he took us to an FA Cup semi-final. These were all things that, for years, Wednesday fans could only have ever dreamed of. He actually made our dreams come true. But I think it goes beyond what he did during his time at the club. He provided the foundations for our further rise and our ultimate return to the top flight. Wilkinson took us back to Division One, but I don’t believe he would have accomplished this, certainly not as quickly as he did, without the solid base that Jack had provided for him. For me, Jack Charlton is our best manager of all time. He breathed new life into a stagnant, lifeless football club, he gave fans new optimism and he produced a football team that we were rightly proud of. Ironically, a Big Jack is just what we need right now, but sadly his like are quite probably gone for ever. Thanks for the memories, RIP Big Jack, Wednesday legend. 6 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Utah Owl said: I just hope that we can create a lasting tribute for him at Hillsborough and whilst I love the idea of a statue of him fishing in the Don, my own personal thought is that renaming the North Stand after him with statues of both him and his wife Pat, sat where they were in the North Stand on that fateful day in October 1977 would be far better, after all, it's where his story at Wednesday all began. Whereabouts did he sit? I don't want a statue of him in front of my seat with the size of him, I'd never see a thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAnotherShez Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, alanharper said: Whereabouts did he sit? I don't want a statue of him in front of my seat with the size of him, I'd never see a thing! At a guess about 6-10 rows from the front and just kop side of half way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bramhall Owl Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 I was in pieces on Saturday. Jack was a true giant in every sense of the word. These days, one can be a legend by coming back from the bar with the right bag of crisps but there aren't many people who are a genuine legend with at least 4 sets of fans....Leeds, England, Wednesday and Ireland (how many fans were hoping that Ireland would do well due to Jack being in charge). He may well have similar status at Middlesbrough as well I know us oldies go on about the job that he did and I'm sure the youngsters think we exaggerate how bad things were when he took over, but I'm not. Regular gates of under 10k, no money, we'd just managed to avoid relegation to div 4 in 1976 and we were bottom of Div 3 in October '77 and looking like we were in for another long struggle to avoid the drop (and possible oblivion). Lord knows how Bert McGhee persuaded Jack to take the job but he did. For a season and a half, there'd been a stabilising of things on the pitch but then....boom, along came the FA Cup and the Arsenal 5 game epic. Pride in the club was restored in the space of 2 weeks and we suddenly realised that things were on the up. In strode a swaggering Terry Curran (how did Jack persuade him to sign for us?) and we started to fancy our chances next season. 1979-80 is etched deep in the annals of the club's history, in particular 26 Dec 1979, as we finally returned to Div 2 in front of over 5,000 fans at Exeter. Continual strengthening of the team culminated in a near miss in 81/82 (6 pts clear with 5 games to play and we blew it in typical Wednesday fashion) and a cup run to the semi in 1983. This was something that didn't happen to Wednesday, our only involvement with semis was hosting them. I started following us away in the promotion season and we were all 'Jackie Charlton's blue and white army' and I enjoyed 4 great season following us the length and breadth of the country as he moved the club into, what was for me, unchartered territory. The vast majority of managers outstay their welcome and are usually hounded out by fans as results start to deteriorate. Not Jack, he knew when to leave and we all wanted him to stay and finish the job of getting us back to the promised land. A few years later I was privileged to meet him at a dinner in the mid 80's where he'd been the speaker. I couldn't resist seeking him out to thank him for what he'd done, he looked at me with a glint in his eyes and said 'aye, they were good days'. Thanks for the memories Jack, RIP 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bramhall Owl said: I was in pieces on Saturday. Jack was a true giant in every sense of the word. These days, one can be a legend by coming back from the bar with the right bag of crisps but there aren't many people who are a genuine legend with at least 4 sets of fans....Leeds, England, Wednesday and Ireland (how many fans were hoping that Ireland would do well due to Jack being in charge). He may well have similar status at Middlesbrough as well I know us oldies go on about the job that he did and I'm sure the youngsters think we exaggerate how bad things were when he took over, but I'm not. Regular gates of under 10k, no money, we'd just managed to avoid relegation to div 4 in 1976 and we were bottom of Div 3 in October '77 and looking like we were in for another long struggle to avoid the drop (and possible oblivion). Lord knows how Bert McGhee persuaded Jack to take the job but he did. For a season and a half, there'd been a stabilising of things on the pitch but then....boom, along came the FA Cup and the Arsenal 5 game epic. Pride in the club was restored in the space of 2 weeks and we suddenly realised that things were on the up. In strode a swaggering Terry Curran (how did Jack persuade him to sign for us?) and we started to fancy our chances next season. 1979-80 is etched deep in the annals of the club's history, in particular 26 Dec 1979, as we finally returned to Div 2 in front of over 5,000 fans at Exeter. Continual strengthening of the team culminated in a near miss in 81/82 (6 pts clear with 5 games to play and we blew it in typical Wednesday fashion) and a cup run to the semi in 1983. This was something that didn't happen to Wednesday, our only involvement with semis was hosting them. I started following us away in the promotion season and we were all 'Jackie Charlton's blue and white army' and I enjoyed 4 great season following us the length and breadth of the country as he moved the club into, what was for me, unchartered territory. The vast majority of managers outstay their welcome and are usually hounded out by fans as results start to deteriorate. Not Jack, he knew when to leave and we all wanted him to stay and finish the job of getting us back to the promised land. A few years later I was privileged to meet him at a dinner in the mid 80's where he'd been the speaker. I couldn't resist seeking him out to thank him for what he'd done, he looked at me with a glint in his eyes and said 'aye, they were good days'. Thanks for the memories Jack, RIP What a great post. Regarding Curran, I once heard a story that Jack was talking to Lawrie Mcmenemy at a dinner about signing one of his players but it wasn't Curran (might have been Ted McDougal). There was some kind of mix up, probably Jack getting the names wrong, and we ended up with TC. I don't know if it's true but there are also stories of him naming sides with only 10 players and regularly getting players names wrong so it could be. Curran says he dropped down 2 divisions because he supported us and had always wanted to play for us. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Read somewhere about Jacks first Irish international match, stood with the Irish FA officials as the anthems blared out. Apparently said to the bloke next to him when they played the first one ‘I hope our isn’t as long as this’. Irish official replied ‘it is ours’. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramhall Owl Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 11/07/2020 at 12:36, RUMBELOWS91 said: Great player Great manager Not a bad co-commentator.... I love it when Sheridan scores and Jack says 'John Sheridan, one of my lads' referring to the Irish team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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goodytheowl Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Heard the other day that whenever he went into a pub In Ireland he’d buy the whole room a drink and everyone he was with, every pub he went in.....then said he didn’t have any cash and could he write them a check.....which they always accepted but framed it behind the bar so they never got cashed Edited July 14, 2020 by goodytheowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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