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12 hours ago, jonnyowl said:

These two came to the club in April 2015 to form part of a sporting committee to work alongside first Stuart Gray and then Carlos.

 

That summer we brought in the following players;

 

Hunt

Pudil

Sasso

Lopez

Bannan

Wallace

Foriesteri

Joao

Matias

Hooper

Turner

Sougou

Lachmann

 

Ok a couple of duds in there, bot mostly very good signings to add to what we already had.

 

Roeder and Pearson knew the English game and got the recruitment right that summer and it's no coincidence that we played some great football and had the best season in 20 years. 

 

Roeder and Carlos would have identified the players and Pearson would have negotiated the deals and at this point they weren't on massive money compared to what they got later.

 

For me Roeder and Pearson should have been kept around a lot longer, rather than getting involved with Doyen and Piaxo. Recruitment would have been better and Pearson would have been more mindful of the finances.

 

This is what we need know, two or three people that know the English game and can get the recruitment right.

 

Then a knew coaching team!

 

 

 

Great post.

 

Totally agree with all of the above, i doubt it will ever come to light about how the behind the scenes at football clubs are really ran..who really has all the power? But, the cynical side of me thinks there is plenty of truth in these 3rd parties controlling Chansiri, as i'm sure happens a lot in inexperienced foreign takeovers.

 

I do wonder how involved CC was with the player recruitment, i'd hazard a guess he would be behind any Premier Liga players but his team surely wouldn't have been tracking players for the English leagues?

 

But for fun, tagged players i think were worth the investment - in some form or another.

Highlights how poor our recruitment was the following summer, when we really were 2/3 key signings away from being the best team in the league.

 

When i think about it, it's really the Rhodes signing that killed us. Just about all the others i can forgive, it's football it doesn't always happen for a player, they get injured, don't suit the style of play, manager fallout etc. But a monstrous club record fee £10million and what £35,000+ (guestimate) for a striker that we DIDN'T EVEN NEED (Hooper,Fletcher,Joao,Forestieri,Nuhiu,Winnall all fit and firing) when we were so desperate for a CB to replace Loovens, an experienced CDM and a wide man to compliment Wallace like Knockaert...we could have bought all those and more for what we paid for Rhodes. 

 

 

11 hours ago, kristmace said:

That summer was the best transfer window I think we've ever had. Compare that to the absolute colossal waste of money the following season:

 

Adam Reach

Almen Abdi

Morgan Fox

Sam Winnall

Jordan Thorniley

Steven Fletcher

David Jones

Will Buckley

Callum McManaman

Jordan Rhodes

Jake Kean

Urby Emanuelson

 

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12 hours ago, fatzooma said:

What I do find strange is no one seems to have broke silence and spoke out about what’s actually gone on behind the scenes.

Ex players, KM, Roeder etc etc.

 

All that happens when a player leaves is a big thankyou to Mr Chansiri and family.

All very odd

 

Didn’t we bring in Lewis McGugan who we didn’t play? That was the first odd move for me.

The only thing that talks is money.

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12 hours ago, kristmace said:

That summer was the best transfer window I think we've ever had. Compare that to the absolute colossal waste of money the following season:

 

Adam Reach

Almen Abdi

Morgan Fox

Sam Winnall

Jordan Thorniley

Steven Fletcher

David Jones

Will Buckley

Callum McManaman

Jordan Rhodes

Jake Kean

Urby Emanuelson

 

With the benefit of hindsight a colossal waste.. but most of those were good looking signings at the time.

At the time we bought them:
Reach looked good, was a good age and we needed wide men.
Abdi was an absolute coup. Is injury record was good and he was a proper baller.
Fox was a steady backup left back with 2 years of championship experience.
Winnall was an absolute steal and had scored a goal every other game the season we bought him.
Thorniley was a promising young player from a premier league team.
Fletch regularly got double figures in the premier league for a crap team and was another coup.
David Jones. Aging, but a premier league regular who has just helped Burnley top the Championship. Another coup.
Will Buckley, experienced at Championship level ith Brighton, but also had a season playing in the Prem.
McMananman, another guy with a season in the prem and had looked a talent.
Rhodes, one of only 4 guys with over 100 championship goals and the best goals per minute of any of them.
Kean, back up back up keeper. You've got to have one.
Emanuelson, 100 games in Serie A and over 30 champions league appearances. Must have had ability.

So all of them were, on paper, good signings at the time we made them.

You can argue whether we needed Winnall and Rhodes, but there was absolutely no reason to think that aside from Fletch and Fox we would get so little return on investment on these guys.

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12 hours ago, fatzooma said:

Didn’t we bring in Lewis McGugan who we didn’t play? That was the first odd move for me.

 

Chansiri signed McGugan because the fans were clamouring for it after he'd been here on loan. It was a goodwill gesture on his part. Unfortunately for McGugan, Carlos didn't really fancy him.

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adam pearson bought hull city (with the help of his mate wilkinson the guy behind pound shop? and 19 years of garbage was ended with back to back promotions and he then sold the club as he said he didnt have the millions to push on to the prem but stayed on for a while to steady the ship and soon after we yoyo'd the premier league a bit.

he knows his stuff but bought the local rugby league team hull fc and his hands are tied atm.

 

when you speak to the guy you get no bullshit or waffle. hes down to earth and its a shame he hasnt had another go at a football club (ours)

 

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13 hours ago, toppOwl said:

 

According to DC and whether you believe what he says or not, Roeder wasn't responsible for a single player coming in.

I know for a fact that Roeder was behind the Bannan signing. 

 

A work contacts Brother in Law (ex West Ham player) was Scouting him for Roeder. 

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13 hours ago, kristmace said:

That summer was the best transfer window I think we've ever had. Compare that to the absolute colossal waste of money the following season:

 

Adam Reach

Almen Abdi

Morgan Fox

Sam Winnall

Jordan Thorniley

Steven Fletcher

David Jones

Will Buckley

Callum McManaman

Jordan Rhodes

Jake Kean

Urby Emanuelson


There are some good players in there but we didn’t need them..others CC just didn’t have a clue how to use  - Buckley a classic example..totally wasted here.

 

There was absolutely no strategy or plan after the P/off final loss  - Identifying weak positions and players to fill them - it was just throw money and see what happens. 

 

It was downhill as soon as Semedo was kept on - I knew at that point we had no plan in place ..the signing of Rhodes down the line the apex. 
 

A golden opportunity to build on 2016 criminally wasted - such a pity but as Greenwood once said, disappointment is part of football.
 

 

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13 hours ago, deaks1984 said:

18 months ago Adam Reach was a world beater, some on here thought we could get £10M for him.

 

I'm not having that, He scored 4/5 outrageous goals and sky sports commentators spaffed alover it. I don't think he's repaid the £5m and wages by a long way yet and looks an average champ player for 90% of the time I've watched him.

 

Some on here think we could still get money for players in our current squad so yeah I'm sure people on here said we could get £10m.....I think they were wrong

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15 hours ago, fatzooma said:

What I do find strange is no one seems to have broke silence and spoke out about what’s actually gone on behind the scenes.

Ex players, KM, Roeder etc etc.

 

All that happens when a player leaves is a big thankyou to Mr Chansiri and family.

All very odd

 

Didn’t we bring in Lewis McGugan who we didn’t play? That was the first odd move for me.

Re lewis McGugan... Stuart Grey didn't want him! He was trouble when he was on loan! 

It was another purchase for the fans abit like Rhodes! 

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Apparently roeders only signing was Lachman..after he had secured a 4 day jaunt to Holland to watch him..all expenses paid obviously..Martin Samuel did a piece on him sayin he wer only at Wednesday for a ‘drink’

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2 minutes ago, Bigblueowl said:

Re lewis McGugan... Stuart Grey didn't want him! He was trouble when he was on loan! 

It was another purchase for the fans abit like Rhodes! 

Another millionaire made by Wednesday..

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1 hour ago, briggowl said:

 

I'm not having that, He scored 4/5 outrageous goals and sky sports commentators spaffed alover it. I don't think he's repaid the £5m and wages by a long way yet and looks an average champ player for 90% of the time I've watched him.

 

Some on here think we could still get money for players in our current squad so yeah I'm sure people on here said we could get £10m.....I think they were wrong

Yeah completely agree. Like I said some on here thought we could get £10M. Never said I did. Cheers pal.

 

P.s. think you've taken this out of context. I never meant I thought he was a world beater I was saying generally that is how he was spoken about by some people on here.

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23 hours ago, Sheff74 said:

 

You nailed it there mate. Doyen and Piaxo (imo) have been a disaster for this club. Chansiri is ultimately responsible, but those 2 took him and us for an absolute ride.

And yet some folk want CC back.  Beggars belief.

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8 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Problem with this post. Roeder contributed very little to recruitment


How do you know? (Genuine question, not being funny)

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Not sure how much Pearson and Roedar contributed in reality but I could see reason behind that kind of set up. Confident were scanning our net wide and doing research on the players before we signed them.

 

Since the play off final only strategy has been throw money at it until rules put brakes on it.

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10 hours ago, cookeh said:

 

With the benefit of hindsight a colossal waste.. but most of those were good looking signings at the time.

At the time we bought them:
Reach looked good, was a good age and we needed wide men.
Abdi was an absolute coup. Is injury record was good and he was a proper baller.
Fox was a steady backup left back with 2 years of championship experience.
Winnall was an absolute steal and had scored a goal every other game the season we bought him.
Thorniley was a promising young player from a premier league team.
Fletch regularly got double figures in the premier league for a crap team and was another coup.
David Jones. Aging, but a premier league regular who has just helped Burnley top the Championship. Another coup.
Will Buckley, experienced at Championship level ith Brighton, but also had a season playing in the Prem.
McMananman, another guy with a season in the prem and had looked a talent.
Rhodes, one of only 4 guys with over 100 championship goals and the best goals per minute of any of them.
Kean, back up back up keeper. You've got to have one.
Emanuelson, 100 games in Serie A and over 30 champions league appearances. Must have had ability.

So all of them were, on paper, good signings at the time we made them.

You can argue whether we needed Winnall and Rhodes, but there was absolutely no reason to think that aside from Fletch and Fox we would get so little return on investment on these guys.

Big question marks against all of them, even back then. Certainly I wasn’t keen on signing any of them at the time, and those January deals were sheer folly. In the end, we did get some value out of Fletcher, and possibly Fox and Reach. 

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9 hours ago, Therealrealist said:

Apparently roeders only signing was Lachman..after he had secured a 4 day jaunt to Holland to watch him..all expenses paid obviously..Martin Samuel did a piece on him sayin he wer only at Wednesday for a ‘drink’


Heard a few stories in recent years from players that have played for him basically saying he’s absolutely useless. 
 

He’s barely worked in football since getting the sack from Norwich in 2009. A few months as an advisor here, and an unsuccessful spell as an advisor at Stevenage where he ultimately got the sack again.

 

It’s hardly like we turned our back on the type of revolutionaries that transformed the fortunes of clubs like Norwich, Southampton & Huddersfield in the past. 
 

Also, considering how DC spoke about Roeder, it’s very likely he was pushed and didn’t leave of his own accord. As above, there was a definite feeling from DC that Roeder was just in it for himself and not to benefit the club. 
 

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