sexpistol Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, TheOwlsofDodworth said: Deserved a point. Better football overall, but no can do today. There's a marked improvement in the synergy of the players since restart. On to the next. Get some points on the board, hope we survive deductions, and build upon next season. This x 100 This forum does seem to go into meltdown when we lose a game. Since the restart, there has definitely been an improvement. We were better than Forest, Bristol City, WBA before they scored and easily better than Swansea first half today. We clearly lack a cutting edge and we are the definition of a mid table team. De Cruz has something about him and who knows maybe a goal might see him kick on. I would like to see him start next game also. I’m sure Harris will come in for Reach next game also. Prior to lockdown we were playing terrible, at least there has been a marked improvement. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Who is actually running (ruining) the club on a day to day basis? Looks a reyt shambles from the outside 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlett Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 30 years of false dawns and disappointments. Nothing changes here. It's like the land that time forgot at Hillsborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said: We are bang average under Monk so far - in mid table for period he’s been here. Or are we being selective ? Not particularly? He was obviously doing something right prior to Christmas but something happened around that time to cause this crisis and this is what is it is now and the manager has shown no signs whatsoever that he can stop this slump. If you have seen signs that he has then you’ve obviously got better eyesight than me? Edited July 5, 2020 by Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlett Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, modboy said: Who is actually running (ruining) the club on a day to day basis? Looks a reyt shambles from the outside PAXO Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, sexpistol said: This x 100 This forum does seem to go into meltdown when we lose a game. Since the restart, there has definitely been an improvement. We were better than Forest, Bristol City, WBA before they scored and easily better than Swansea first half today. We clearly lack a cutting edge and we are the definition of a mid table team. De Cruz has something about him and who knows maybe a goal might see him kick on. I would like to see him start next game also. I’m sure Harris will come in for Reach next game also. Prior to lockdown we were playing terrible, at least there has been a marked improvement. Once we fall a goal behind we never look like getting back into it, you can see the heads drop and the defeatist attitude sinks in. We have been saying we lack that cutting edge for far too long now. We have such a lack of game changing options in the team its criminal. Anyway I don't even blame Monk or the players for all this mess, the route problem is Chansiri, the sooner he leaves is the day there will be a glimmer of hope for this once proud club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 We are so close to it clicking, but we make silly errors but that’s why we’re mid table. i can see us giving someone a hiding before the end of the season, because it will click at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, shez owl said: We are so close to it clicking, but we make silly errors but that’s why we’re mid table. i can see us giving someone a hiding before the end of the season, because it will click at some point. We've been saying it all season and it hasn't happened in over 40 games, while we get trashed by Blackburn, Brentford etc. We lack any semblance of a killer instinct and are like a sieve at the back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I’m so sick of going around in circles. Time to get rid of the lot of them, players and manager, and just start from scratch. New focus, new team, new manager, new tactics, new strategy, new start. Shake it up and live on the edge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 How much money has DC spent on transfers and wages in 4 seasons? An we are left with that squad? There is your perspective! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Daz said: Does anyone really believe that Monk is the man to orchestrate the biggest rebuilding job we've had for many years? If bringing in bit players like Da Cruz who has no influence on the game, and resigning Pelupessy are anything to go by, then prepare for the worst. Yes, finances are going to be tight, but surely we can find players who offer more than these for similar wages. I don't think he has a clue, yet we are handing him our future in his hands when he has zero track record in rebuilding, and what he has delivered us so far is lacklustre and tedious at best. I sit in the camp that he has been dealt a tough hand but at the same time he is not the manager for me to move us forward for exactly the reasons you say in your last paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Wednesday Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I will say again that something happened in December that caused a huge problem in the group. We were playing some superb football and we quite enjoyable to watch before Christmas, what happened? We have re-started the season the way we finished it, we were the better side against Forest, we played the better football against a team in the top 4. The late goal gave me a bit of hope because before the break we weren't doing that. Went into the Bristol City game and we played well again, Bristol were defensively all over the place though and probably why the manager was sacked. But the 3 points again gave me hope that the issues were behind us. We matched West Brom until the penalty. We were the better side today, Swansea were there for the taking in the first half, yet we haven't got the hunger or desire to hurt teams. The fine margins that people talk about are the difference, we aren't a bad side but we don't want it enough, most teams we come up against want it more than we do. We lack real aggression, we give so many soft free kicks away, if we actually went into challenges wanting to win them we might get there first and play the ball. instead, the majority are pushes or leaning on people, it's pathetic. We will miss a good opportunity at one end because we don't attack the ball, we will then concede at the other end because we don't attack the ball. I think the players a coasting at 60/70% and are not willing to do that bit extra, I think that is where the manager comes in, can he motivate the group? Im not talking about on a game day, I am talking about the build up to a game, the week before. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sgt Wednesday said: I will say again that something happened in December that caused a huge problem in the group. We were playing some superb football and we quite enjoyable to watch before Christmas, what happened? We have re-started the season the way we finished it, we were the better side against Forest, we played the better football against a team in the top 4. The late goal gave me a bit of hope because before the break we weren't doing that. Went into the Bristol City game and we played well again, Bristol were defensively all over the place though and probably why the manager was sacked. But the 3 points again gave me hope that the issues were behind us. We matched West Brom until the penalty. We were the better side today, Swansea were there for the taking in the first half, yet we haven't got the hunger or desire to hurt teams. The fine margins that people talk about are the difference, we aren't a bad side but we don't want it enough, most teams we come up against want it more than we do. We lack real aggression, we give so many soft free kicks away, if we actually went into challenges wanting to win them we might get there first and play the ball. instead, the majority are pushes or leaning on people, it's pathetic. We will miss a good opportunity at one end because we don't attack the ball, we will then concede at the other end because we don't attack the ball. I think the players a coasting at 60/70% and are not willing to do that bit extra, I think that is where the manager comes in, can he motivate the group? Im not talking about on a game day, I am talking about the build up to a game, the week before. Not competitive enough and not good enough. Football is a simple game. The main ingredients are desire, organisation, and confidence. When you have all three, you win football matches. Meatloaf would be a crap manager because 2 out of 3 ain’t bad doesn’t cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sgt Wednesday said: I will say again that something happened in December that caused a huge problem in the group. We were playing some superb football and we quite enjoyable to watch before Christmas, what happened? We have re-started the season the way we finished it, we were the better side against Forest, we played the better football against a team in the top 4. The late goal gave me a bit of hope because before the break we weren't doing that. Went into the Bristol City game and we played well again, Bristol were defensively all over the place though and probably why the manager was sacked. But the 3 points again gave me hope that the issues were behind us. We matched West Brom until the penalty. We were the better side today, Swansea were there for the taking in the first half, yet we haven't got the hunger or desire to hurt teams. The fine margins that people talk about are the difference, we aren't a bad side but we don't want it enough, most teams we come up against want it more than we do. We lack real aggression, we give so many soft free kicks away, if we actually went into challenges wanting to win them we might get there first and play the ball. instead, the majority are pushes or leaning on people, it's pathetic. We will miss a good opportunity at one end because we don't attack the ball, we will then concede at the other end because we don't attack the ball. I think the players a coasting at 60/70% and are not willing to do that bit extra, I think that is where the manager comes in, can he motivate the group? Im not talking about on a game day, I am talking about the build up to a game, the week before. Summed up by murphy for the first goal...just couldn't be ars*d to do owt else bar swing a lazy leg....I don't think he had a bad game, its just a stupid turned off lapse....and it cost us..The second/..We had Reach battling for a header ??... We lost shape and cohesion second half, its like we just mentally switch off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, RichSheffWeds said: Fine margins. If we take chances it would have been different outcome. Monk has got significant reasons why it’s impossible to judge him : Comes in when Bruce f’ed off with no preseason. Squad in need of major overhaul. FFP has issues means spending will be lower. None of his backroom staff. Significant behind the scenes issues with attitude of playing staff. Apart from all that, it’s all Monks fault !!!!!! Totally agreed. I’m not Monk’s biggest fan at all but I think he needs some big slack given the significant issues at the football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 44 minutes ago, Daz said: Does anyone really believe that Monk is the man to orchestrate the biggest rebuilding job we've had for many years? If bringing in bit players like Da Cruz who has no influence on the game, and resigning Pelupessy are anything to go by, then prepare for the worst. Yes, finances are going to be tight, but surely we can find players who offer more than these for similar wages. I don't think he has a clue, yet we are handing him our future in his hands when he has zero track record in rebuilding, and what he has delivered us so far is lacklustre and tedious at best. I genuinely wonder what control Monk has. I don't have confidence in anyone at the club to do a re-build, Monk, Chansiri or whoever is on the scouting / recruitment team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Wednesday Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Summed up by murphy for the first goal...just couldn't be ars*d to do owt else bar swing a lazy leg....I don't think he had a bad game, its just a stupid turned off lapse....and it cost us..The second/..We had Reach battling for a header ??... We lost shape and cohesion second half, its like we just mentally switch off Exactly mate, Murphy let the ball run across our own 6 yard box into Brewster and then Reach would rather push his man out of the way than put his head on it. Where a makeshift Swansea defence put their bodies on the line and made some great blocks. When Sam Hutchinson is talking about having men in the dressing room, maybe this is what he means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Wednesday Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, jonnyowl said: I genuinely wonder what control Monk has. I don't have confidence in anyone at the club to do a re-build, Monk, Chansiri or whoever is on the scouting / recruitment team! Since the 2 play off defeats we needed strong leadership, on and off the pitch. Steve Bruce was the man and he should have been replaced with similar. The fact Tom Lees is the club captain and Barry Bannan takes the armband is worrying. I love Bannan and I think he's class, hardly a leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, Sgt Wednesday said: We lack real aggression, we give so many soft free kicks away, if we actually went into challenges wanting to win them we might get there first and play the ball. instead, the majority are pushes or leaning on people, it's pathetic. We will miss a good opportunity at one end because we don't attack the ball, we will then concede at the other end because we don't attack the ball. 24 minutes ago, theowlsman said: The main ingredients are desire, organisation, and confidence. I think these are really important points in terms of what we lack. Whatever division we’re in, it’s something the manager really needs to address. Aside from a handful of players, were a squad full of wimps. Sounds harsh but it’s true. Without wanting to big piggy Wilder up too much, you look at the the rebuild he’s done there, and you won’t find a player who isn’t tough, aggressive and willing to run through a brick wall. They more than make up for the quality they may lack. Players like Reach and Bannan in particular, need players like that around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 hours ago, FreshOwl said: I am as frustrated as anyone at that second half, but in reality is anyone particularly surprised? We’ve recently lost Fletcher, and to a lesser extent FF, who were both probably our main guys with regards to finishing So up front we’ve now got a decent player but a crock in Wickham, and a young lad whose played a handful of games in the Italian lower leagues They haven’t even got 50 career league goals between them I’ll stick up for Monk only in the sense of that I can see he’s trying to make us more of a rounded unit. He’s sticking with a formation and there seems to be a plan on set pieces etc when there wasn’t before But goofball players will always end up letting you down. Can you seriously suggest 3 wins out of 18 is purely down to Monks tactics? It’s codswallop, and I’m not even a monk fan. A game of football is a game of football, a simple sport to understand We need to ride the season out. Relegation would be disastrous, yet we don’t look like going in any direction. Even a couple of decent signings wouldn’t see us competing I don’t think Get ready for some very boring years ahead The issue is, 3 wins from 18 and we are still making the same mistakes as we did in January. The only way we go down is if we get a big point deduction from the EFL which seems unlikely at this stage in the season, a small hit would still be tight but we have enough in the squad to stay up...Ridiculous i'm even typing that when on Boxing Day we were 2nd. Everything depends on what funds Monk has access to in the summer, I doubt we'll have any money to make a promotion push, but if we can shift any remaining higher earners (Westwood & Rhodes) maybe we could claw together enough to bring in some new additions instead of depending on the loan market. I'm still not convinced Monk is the man to take us forward, without Fletcher and long direct balls from the back i don't understand how he is trying to set the team up to play, but we'll see what happens over summer. it's hard to not blame certain players at times, but i don't think Reach, Harris, Murphy or Fessi want to be playing wing back...it's also pretty hilarious that just as we release the only ball playing centre back we have, Monk sticks to a 5 at the back formation. How depressing, a few long boring years ahead indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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