malek Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 hours ago, McRightSide said: Another great tip from the Owlstalk youth development experts Most on here (myself included) said that although he was very physically developed for player of his age and despite him working very hard the pitch he didn't look likely to make it at this level. Can't recall many posters saying that he looks like a future Wednesday No 9. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, dorian gray said: is nathan modest playing these days, if so anyone know how he's doing? and that other one, somebody vardy? He was at bridlington town last season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, torryowl said: He was at bridlington town last season . scoring much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, malek said: Most on here (myself included) said that although he was very physically developed for player of his age and despite him working very hard the pitch he didn't look likely to make it at this level. Can't recall many posters saying that he looks like a future Wednesday No 9. physical size is the big kick in the crackers all clubs stumble into. a colleague of mine runs (something like) an under 8's team, and he says continually the bigger players are sought, whilst the scouts ask who are his parents to see how big they are too?. the only exception was the man city scout who was interested in 'some' of the smaller more skilled players also. when asked by the l**ds scout 'had any other scouts been?', he told him, and added 'man city', and the l**ds scout asked 'who he was interested in?' when i added the smaller built players to the usual names, he went white, and said 'i'll have their names too i guess'. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, dorian gray said: physical size is the big kick in the crackers all clubs stumble into. a colleague of mine runs (something like) an under 8's team, and he says continually the bigger players are sought, whilst the scouts ask who are his parents to see how big they are too?. the only exception was the man city scout who was interested in 'some' of the smaller more skilled players also. when asked by the l**ds scout 'had any other scouts been?', he told him, and added 'man city', and the l**ds scout asked 'who he was interested in?' when i added the smaller built players to the usual names, he went white, and said 'i'll have their names too i guess'. Watch my great nephew play at under eight level and if the opposing team look bigger, then I fear the worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, torryowl said: Married then mate .... In this day and age most people mate before they get married. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Watch my great nephew play at under eight level and if the opposing team look bigger, then I fear the worse. the only time i fear 'the worse' is when i hear the parents, mourinho's and guardiola's all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Just now, dorian gray said: the only time i fear 'the worse' is when i hear the parents, mourinho's and guardiola's all of them. Yeah a lot of experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, dorian gray said: physical size is the big kick in the crackers all clubs stumble into. a colleague of mine runs (something like) an under 8's team, and he says continually the bigger players are sought, whilst the scouts ask who are his parents to see how big they are too?. the only exception was the man city scout who was interested in 'some' of the smaller more skilled players also. when asked by the l**ds scout 'had any other scouts been?', he told him, and added 'man city', and the l**ds scout asked 'who he was interested in?' when i added the smaller built players to the usual names, he went white, and said 'i'll have their names too i guess'. I believe it is something that is left over in England since older days when most teams played long balls and you had zillion aerial duels a game. This days most modern scouts and coaches don't care a lot if their central midfielder will be 5'6'' or 6'5'' tall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Unfortunately many academies still go for big, strong kid I think part of the problem is that coaches want to create teams and win games - the more forward think academies look for other attributes such as technique Players can be worked with to develop - unfortunately due to the nature of the modern game there will be physical thresholds that players will have to adhere to or they will not be able to influence the game I saw a stat recently that across academy football 90% of the players were quartile 1 (Sept - Nov birthdays) - while in the premier league the birth dates of the players are pretty much equally spread between all 4 quartiles There are a couple more reasons why the attrition rate is too high - firstly nobody can spot a potential start at 7-8 years old. I would do away with the pre-academy and foundation phases altogether - let the kids play grass roots with their mates and focus on technique and game awareness Secondly i think clubs should start their academies at u12 and all players given 4 year contracts That would help clubs to focus much more keenly on recruitment and also means it is in the interest of academies to work with players on development Lastly it would help prevent the revolving door of recruiting then releasing players If there was to be an audit of academy football then i reckon the vast majority do not cover their own costs - only a select handful are profitable 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, scram said: Unfortunately many academies still go for big, strong kid I think part of the problem is that coaches want to create teams and win games - the more forward think academies look for other attributes such as technique Players can be worked with to develop - unfortunately due to the nature of the modern game there will be physical thresholds that players will have to adhere to or they will not be able to influence the game I saw a stat recently that across academy football 90% of the players were quartile 1 (Sept - Nov birthdays) - while in the premier league the birth dates of the players are pretty much equally spread between all 4 quartiles There are a couple more reasons why the attrition rate is too high - firstly nobody can spot a potential start at 7-8 years old. I would do away with the pre-academy and foundation phases altogether - let the kids play grass roots with their mates and focus on technique and game awareness Secondly i think clubs should start their academies at u12 and all players given 4 year contracts That would help clubs to focus much more keenly on recruitment and also means it is in the interest of academies to work with players on development Lastly it would help prevent the revolving door of recruiting then releasing players If there was to be an audit of academy football then i reckon the vast majority do not cover their own costs - only a select handful are profitable There is a chapter about this in the book 'freakonomics' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, scram said: I saw a stat recently that across academy football 90% of the players were quartile 1 (Sept - Nov birthdays) - while in the premier league the birth dates of the players are pretty much equally spread between all 4 quartiles Learned summat there ...never heard of quartiles....why is Sept-Nov number 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, scram said: Unfortunately many academies still go for big, strong kid I think part of the problem is that coaches want to create teams and win games - the more forward think academies look for other attributes such as technique Players can be worked with to develop - unfortunately due to the nature of the modern game there will be physical thresholds that players will have to adhere to or they will not be able to influence the game I saw a stat recently that across academy football 90% of the players were quartile 1 (Sept - Nov birthdays) - while in the premier league the birth dates of the players are pretty much equally spread between all 4 quartiles There are a couple more reasons why the attrition rate is too high - firstly nobody can spot a potential start at 7-8 years old. I would do away with the pre-academy and foundation phases altogether - let the kids play grass roots with their mates and focus on technique and game awareness Secondly i think clubs should start their academies at u12 and all players given 4 year contracts That would help clubs to focus much more keenly on recruitment and also means it is in the interest of academies to work with players on development Lastly it would help prevent the revolving door of recruiting then releasing players If there was to be an audit of academy football then i reckon the vast majority do not cover their own costs - only a select handful are profitable WOW! just WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themagiccap Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Should we look at the Brentford model and scrap the U18 and U23 teams and instead have a B-team of younger players U21 and bring kids through that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, torryowl said: Learned summat there ...never heard of quartiles....why is Sept-Nov number 1? size matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themagiccap Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, torryowl said: Learned summat there ...never heard of quartiles....why is Sept-Nov number 1? It's based on the Academic year of 1 September to 31 August 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Themagiccap said: Should we look at the Brentford model and scrap the U18 and U23 teams and instead have a B-team of younger players U21 and bring kids through that way anybody know enough to know the mix at brentford? how many come through to be first team players? how many come through to be stars? how many are good sales? how many of their team are brought in?, bought in? how many are 'found' in london's parks football? qpr (for me) always had some big black lads they'd discovered locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 4 hours ago, malek said: Most on here (myself included) said that although he was very physically developed for player of his age and despite him working very hard the pitch he didn't look likely to make it at this level. Can't recall many posters saying that he looks like a future Wednesday No 9. True. You all thought he looked ready to be a current Wednesday No. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Themagiccap said: It's based on the Academic year of 1 September to 31 August Cheers mate .. they were called terms in my day . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, @owlstalk said: How can I find these stats? I try and keep tabs by Twitter and John O'Brien on here but also Youthhawk has decent stuff. It's not always reliable and they have him with more goals than my records but still not great. I have 3 goals. Often hasn't started but always fit and on the bench. Last season he didn't score at all until the last game in April when he got a double http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/Sheffield_Wednesday_Under-23s http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/Sheffield_Wednesday_Under-23s_2018-19 Edited July 4, 2020 by Etchesketch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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