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8 minutes ago, Dagmeister's Shadow said:

For me he's a bloke with good intentions, stubbornness and pride who has made mistakes.

Only evidence of blatant and deliberate skulduggery coming out in these proceedings will change that for me.


so if we are found guilty your opinion of him will or won’t change? 

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22 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Nothing to do with Wednesday this, but perhaps a case of manipulation. 
Barcelona need to find €80m before the end of the month to comply with FFP regulations. They have agreed to sell Brazilian midfielder Arthur to Juventus for that figure, more than twice his reported value. 
Then later, Barcelona will pay a similarly inflated fee for Juventus midfielder Pjanic, thus circumnavigating any possible FFP penalties

DC will be all over this Westwood to Rotherham for 27m.

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Nothing to do with Wednesday this, but perhaps a case of manipulation. 
Barcelona need to find €80m before the end of the month to comply with FFP regulations. They have agreed to sell Brazilian midfielder Arthur to Juventus for that figure, more than twice his reported value. 
Then later, Barcelona will pay a similarly inflated fee for Juventus midfielder Pjanic, thus circumnavigating any possible FFP penalties

Interesting tactics....I suppose the financial year ends being different allow this to happen. So in theory you could sell a player, bank the inflated fee, then buy him back in your next financial year for the same amount to help FFP, especially if it is not in place next season due to coronavirus

 

Why all year ends for clubs aren't the same is beyond me with FFP, would make things simpler

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2 minutes ago, nbupperthongowl said:

Interesting tactics....I suppose the financial year ends being different allow this to happen. So in theory you could sell a player, bank the inflated fee, then buy him back in your next financial year for the same amount to help FFP, especially if it is not in place next season due to coronavirus

 

Why all year ends for clubs aren't the same is beyond me with FFP, would make things simpler

 

So how would that work for premiership relegated teams?

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23 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said:


so if we are found guilty your opinion of him will or won’t change? 

Hopefully we'll get full details of what has or hasn't been done. My opinion may or may not change then. 

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48 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Nothing to do with Wednesday this, but perhaps a case of manipulation. 
Barcelona need to find €80m before the end of the month to comply with FFP regulations. They have agreed to sell Brazilian midfielder Arthur to Juventus for that figure, more than twice his reported value. 
Then later, Barcelona will pay a similarly inflated fee for Juventus midfielder Pjanic, thus circumnavigating any possible FFP penalties

Except they paid €40m for him on a 6 year contract so €26.6m will still be in the accounts, therefore the sale of him will only net €53.4m - but I am sure they will know that.

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23 minutes ago, nbupperthongowl said:

Interesting tactics....I suppose the financial year ends being different allow this to happen. So in theory you could sell a player, bank the inflated fee, then buy him back in your next financial year for the same amount to help FFP, especially if it is not in place next season due to coronavirus

 

Why all year ends for clubs aren't the same is beyond me with FFP, would make things simpler

Actually the rules allow for differing year ends and also, like Wednesday did in 2018, extended years.  For Wednesday it had the effect of lowering losses for 2018 but front loading for 2019.

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11 minutes ago, OK then Maybe said:

Actually the rules allow for differing year ends and also, like Wednesday did in 2018, extended years.  For Wednesday it had the effect of lowering losses for 2018 but front loading for 2019.

It did, so a same year end for all removes that and all clubs finances are comparable and reviewed by the EFL in the same way

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1 hour ago, Wor’Jackie said:

 

I assure you, I’m not one of those. For or Against us, I want Chansiri out and to take Paxo with him. For all the early success with a team assembled for one big season (possibly two at most), his failure to make the correct decisions on personnel, wages, PR, and the EFL finance rules has put us back to where we were in 2010-2011.

 

The bridge has been burned in my view.

 

You want, you want. You are the typical spoilt Kid wanting that which is out of your reach. Do you have a plan for achieving what you want ? No ! So what are you to do, carry on bleating !

 

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30 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

 

You want, you want. You are the typical spoilt Kid wanting that which is out of your reach. Do you have a plan for achieving what you want ? No ! So what are you to do, carry on bleating !

 

I think some people are incredibly naive when it comes to owners. Its not like  football mangers where you can put pressure on the owners to sack them. Owners are in full control and chanting for them to go can often provoke the owner to take their ball home and let the club rot. Football ownership sadly is a lottery, be careful what you wish for. Do I wish it was different absolutely but sadly fans are treated with contempt.

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33 minutes ago, Big Jack said:

I think some people are incredibly naive when it comes to owners. Its not like  football mangers where you can put pressure on the owners to sack them. Owners are in full control and chanting for them to go can often provoke the owner to take their ball home and let the club rot. Football ownership sadly is a lottery, be careful what you wish for. Do I wish it was different absolutely but sadly fans are treated with contempt.

I guess that incredible naivety extends to some fans believing that a club owner would let his investment rot because some other fans have called him a rude word..,

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1 hour ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

 

You want, you want. You are the typical spoilt Kid wanting that which is out of your reach. Do you have a plan for achieving what you want ? No ! So what are you to do, carry on bleating !

 

 

Well, beg my pardon Sir. 

 

Spoilt is a ridiculous claim. I’ve been watching us since 1989 and I’ve known nothing but failure aside from a year or two of Francis (which i have fleeting memories of) and a year and a half of Carvahal. I’ve been to games in the Prem, Championship, League 1, Away FA cup games at Southport and Scunthorpe, you name it I’ve been there.

 

All I want is a club that’s run properly by someone who knows what the hell they're doing, and funnily enough I’ve never seen that. Shame on me for petulantly wanting my club to be in good standing.

 

My plan? Scorched earth. Go back to square one, be it Championship, League One, Conference, Boston North, whatever league it may be. Start this whole operation again and maybe we’ll have a club which isn’t a laughing stock. If Chansiri wants to be the man at the helm, fine by me, but i don’t trust him.

 

I’ve stood by the players where most of the posters on here have ‘bleated’ as nauseum about how crap they are and how they aren’t fit to wear the shirt, etc. I have criticism of their performances, but they haven’t always been bad, in fact for most of the season they’ve been adequate enough to have us in and around the playoffs. What’s caused us to slide off? Up to you lot to work out, since you all seem to know best.

 

I like to think I’m a reasonable man, but you can get bent for that comment Nev. you might have many more years on me as a Wednesdayite, but it doesn’t make you any more or less a Wednesdayite.

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12 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

 

I'm not well up on youth football these day but lets do the Math.

 

How many school kids have a desire to 'Get on the books of a league club' ?

 

Of those, how many go on to play for their club at U13, U14, U15 and U16 level ? How many are lost to clubs with more prestige ?

 

Of those How many get offered U18 apprenticeships, a couple or three may be retained as over age. Big clubs can steal your youngsters.

 

At under 23 level players are expected to have acquired much of the skill set required to make the step up. They will have an arm put around them but ultimately they are measured and the decisions come as swift as a surgeons scalpel.

 

As we saw a couple of days ago the  very promising lad O'Brien got the sickening news; Much to his credit, unlike many, he wasn't devastated. He vowed to door knock until one opened which it probably will given his determination and work his way back to us.

 

Young O'Brien would have had much more of a chance under the old reserve system. A season to settle a season to play a little and then a season to show your worth.

 

So in a very scarce market top maybe 6 or 7 clubs corner the market on top quality which they spend top $. I don't know if you saw our FA youth Cup game away to Chelsea. It was men against boys and that's all you needed to watch to know the chasm that exists.        

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, daleblue said:

 

So how would that work for premiership relegated teams?

make the 30 April the account year end and make sure all league season were finished by then.

 

Simples (unless we get another CO-Vid or FIFA decides to do something stupid like play a world cup in December but that would never happen lol)

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Not sure if true but this is the guy that runs the Wednesday Sing Facebook page.

 

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25 minutes ago, Wor’Jackie said:

 

Well, beg my pardon Sir. 

 

Spoilt is a ridiculous claim. I’ve been watching us since 1989 and I’ve known nothing but failure aside from a year or two of Francis (which i have fleeting memories of) and a year and a half of Carvahal. I’ve been to games in the Prem, Championship, League 1, Away FA cup games at Southport and Scunthorpe, you name it I’ve been there.

 

All I want is a club that’s run properly by someone who knows what the hell they're doing, and funnily enough I’ve never seen that. Shame on me for petulantly wanting my club to be in good standing.

 

My plan? Scorched earth. Go back to square one, be it Championship, League One, Conference, Boston North, whatever league it may be. Start this whole operation again and maybe we’ll have a club which isn’t a laughing stock. If Chansiri wants to be the man at the helm, fine by me, but i don’t trust him.

 

I’ve stood by the players where most of the posters on here have ‘bleated’ as nauseum about how crap they are and how they aren’t fit to wear the shirt, etc. I have criticism of their performances, but they haven’t always been bad, in fact for most of the season they’ve been adequate enough to have us in and around the playoffs. What’s caused us to slide off? Up to you lot to work out, since you all seem to know best.

 

I like to think I’m a reasonable man, but you can get bent for that comment Nev. you might have many more years on me as a Wednesdayite, but it doesn’t make you any more or less a Wednesdayite.

So you would see us go to non-league would you? The only people who bleat and laugh at the club are our fans. 

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4 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said:

Not sure if true but this is the guy that runs the Wednesday Sing Facebook page.

 

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To be fair, the Wednesday Sing Facebook site makes Owlstalk seem like the Cambridge Union. 

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2 minutes ago, alanharper said:

 

To be fair, the Wednesday Sing Facebook site makes Owlstalk seem like the Cambridge Union. 

Fair point.lol

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Clear cut case ,We have been found not guilty ,Someone in EFL has made a mistake  I HOPE garymegson

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