Notts Owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: The really worrying thing is, if we start next season in the Championship on minus 12, but end up in the bottom three without the minus 12 being taken into account, then, not only would we be relegated into League One, but I think the minus 12 points would be carried over into the next season - that is, the following season when we start in League One. That really doesn’t bear thinking about, but, if we’re not able to strengthen the squad in the close season, is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, given our abysmally poor form over the second half of this season. If we start on -12 and end up getting relegated that's the end of it. Otherwise it is double punishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Kew Owl said: The really worrying thing is, if we start next season in the Championship on minus 12, but end up in the bottom three without the minus 12 being taken into account, then, not only would we be relegated into League One, but I think the minus 12 points would be carried over into the next season - that is, the following season when we start in League One. That really doesn’t bear thinking about, but, if we’re not able to strengthen the squad in the close season, is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, given our abysmally poor form over the second half of this season. The really really worrying thing. Is not just what you've said, which is all bollloxx, but that they make us change our name to Wednesday United, force us to sign only midgets and subject us to a zombie apocalypse at Christmas. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1963owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, davey_wells said: For me, minus 12 points starting next season would be pretty kind - if we're found guilty how can you say its kind when we dont know if we are guilty of anything 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1963owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: The really worrying thing is, if we start next season in the Championship on minus 12, but end up in the bottom three without the minus 12 being taken into account, then, not only would we be relegated into League One, but I think the minus 12 points would be carried over into the next season - that is, the following season when we start in League One. That really doesn’t bear thinking about, but, if we’re not able to strengthen the squad in the close season, is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, given our abysmally poor form over the second half of this season. give up mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: The really worrying thing is, if we start next season in the Championship on minus 12, but end up in the bottom three without the minus 12 being taken into account, then, not only would we be relegated into League One, but I think the minus 12 points would be carried over into the next season - that is, the following season when we start in League One. That doesn't make sense. How on earth can you start on minus 12 but minus 12 is not taken into account ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrbuk Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, Hookowl said: That doesn't make sense. How on earth can you start on minus 12 but minus 12 is not taken into account ? I think he's saying if we were 15pts behind at the end of the season, we get the 12pts back, relegated, and go again the following season on -12. But I also think he's incorrect. I think it's only for pts deducting during the season, so if a team is already being relegated and due to get pts deducted, they are applied the following season, presumably to prevent people gaming the system and using administration when they're already down to wipe the slate clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSOwl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 EFL statement https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-ongoing-disciplinary-proceedings/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Hookowl said: That doesn't make sense. How on earth can you start on minus 12 but minus 12 is not taken into account ? I think it makes perfect sense. If we have a bad season and end up in the bottom three in any event without the minus 12 being deducted, then effectively the 12 point deduction has no effect, so we would be escaping punishment. isn’t that what was being considered in relation to Wigan - if they ended up in the bottom 3 anyway ( which obviously now they won’t ) the 12 point deduction would be carried forward to the next season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, MSOwl said: EFL statement https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-ongoing-disciplinary-proceedings/ They don't even mention us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sibon Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, MSOwl said: EFL statement https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-ongoing-disciplinary-proceedings/ That clears things up then. The bottom three go down, unless they aren’t the bottom three after any points deductions. In that case other clubs might go down instead 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, MSOwl said: EFL statement https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-ongoing-disciplinary-proceedings/ Do the EFL do these adverts as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSOwl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Utah Owl said: They don't even mention us! Clear as mud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 If everyone keeps posting links to the same EFL statement then this thread will have no problem in reaching 1,000 posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, 1963owl said: give up mate Sorry if this subject is beyond your intellect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, TheEnchanter said: I think a lot of it is who is making the decisions. With the personnel involved in planning, recruitment and decision making some clubs would thrive a lot better than others with navigating tricky embargo's. Last summer Bruce showed it could be achieved with some shrewd signings. The bottom line is it would suck to be in an embargo and I've been very vocal about how it has held us back in the past season or so. Fair points pal, I do think Downes and Hughes if left to there own devises could unearth a couple of gems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: The really worrying thing is, if we start next season in the Championship on minus 12, but end up in the bottom three without the minus 12 being taken into account, then, not only would we be relegated into League One, but I think the minus 12 points would be carried over into the next season - that is, the following season when we start in League One. That really doesn’t bear thinking about, but, if we’re not able to strengthen the squad in the close season, is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility, given our abysmally poor form over the second half of this season. If you find that pile crap "really worrying" I wonder how you get through every day life 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: I think it makes perfect sense. If we have a bad season and end up in the bottom three in any event without the minus 12 being deducted, then effectively the 12 point deduction has no effect, so we would be escaping punishment. isn’t that what was being considered in relation to Wigan - if they ended up in the bottom 3 anyway ( which obviously now they won’t ) the 12 point deduction would be carried forward to the next season If we start the season with minus 12 that would be our punishment, if we then finish in the bottom three we would be relegated, if we don't then we wouldn't be relegated. The punishment starts when the league starts, if we score enough points to stay up or if we don't score enough points to stay up is irrelevant. We have been punished once by the deduction, we can't be punished again. Wigan's scenario is completely different in that they are being deducted 12 points at the end of this season, the scenario you were talking about was us being deducted 12 points at the beginning of next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 So, are we fecked or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: I think it makes perfect sense. If we have a bad season and end up in the bottom three in any event without the minus 12 being deducted, then effectively the 12 point deduction has no effect, so we would be escaping punishment. isn’t that what was being considered in relation to Wigan - if they ended up in the bottom 3 anyway ( which obviously now they won’t ) the 12 point deduction would be carried forward to the next season I take it you didn't do any English classes at school.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1963owl Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: Sorry if this subject is beyond your intellect you say if we finish in the bottom 3 next season, theyll deduct the points the season after & you question my intellect 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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