Sheff74 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: One of the reason why I think we will be found guilty, as you say ******** off one club or ******** of a bunch of clubs. Yep, and the fact that if they don't, it effectively leaves the door open for other clubs to do something similar, with regard to stadium sales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: One of the reason why I think we will be found guilty, as you say pi$$ off one club or pi$$ of a bunch of clubs. that doesn't make sense - we are either guilty or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Surely all parties concerned in the case must be given appropriate notice of when it is to begin; so when were they informed and why wasn’t it made public straight away? Well run league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 After Swansea's third goal went in the last didget of the EFL phone number was pushed. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 My God just think of the type of players we will have playing for us if we go down to league one. Stuff of nightmares. Any of our half decent players will be straight out the door as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: We'll probably get zero updates too There’ll be no further comment from the club at this time. Apart from they strenuously deny any wrong doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, paulvcooke said: OK, answer me this, If other clubs are influencing the start date of the hearing, how can it be totally independent as claimed? A procedure and schedule was laid out, it should have been stuck to, allowing other clubs to interfere with this due process opens the EFL up to criticism. They should have said 'We hear and acknowledge your concerns but cannot and will not alter the timetable as set down". I hear what you are saying, but the timetable has been disrupted and revised numerous times throughout this whole fiasco, and at the end of the day the EFL are the governing body, so probably just hear other club's concerns and now want to make sure that they can implement any punishment (if guilty) this season. Plus it was due to start in July anyway, so the difference is what, 10 days? Considering that the charges were made last year, I doubt that there is anything that either legal team can add to their respective cases in that amount of time, that isn't already in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 52 minutes ago, York_Owl said: If that’s right it looks like they want us charged before the season finishes. As in hit us with a points deduction. Feels like they’ve got us in their sights now. Sorry fella but how have they got it for us, did they ask Chansiri to spaff millions down theshitter and making an amateurish attempt at breaking even. If we get anything it will be the doing of 2 people, the same 2 people who are running this club like Billy Smarts Circus. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleowl74 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Key said: Surely all parties concerned in the case must be given appropriate notice of when it is to begin; so when were they informed and why wasn’t it made public straight away? Well run league! I agree there must be some legal time frame of notice. Maybe someone on here knows? Bloody awful timing it’s past my bed time as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: There’ll be no further comment from the club at this time. Apart from they strenuously deny any wrong doing. And that will be exactly what they say if we are found guilty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl1987 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I dont think this case is a slam dunk. The EFL appear to have given some sort of indication that what happened was okay. They probably did that wrongly. The Owls are probably trying to argue something along the lines of legitimate expectation. Even if in the wrong the reasoning behind why this was done should go in our favour and reduce the penalty imposed. EFL need this out the way. Understandably those at the bottom will want this sorting with an adverse outcome for us. Keep the faith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: if we really did have evidence of this surely it would have been presented before the case even went to a panel as there would be no case to answer? I thought the efl charged us , we contested the charge hence the independent panel hearing to decide the outcome. The independent panel hearing is now this week? That’s the way I read it as but I’m by no means a legal Eagle. May be I’m clutching at straws . We’ll soon find out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest struckanerve Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 And, if the decision goes against us due to pressure from other clubs -- ie injustice -- can we take this to a 'proper' court of law to overturn it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Sheff74 said: I hear what you are saying, but the timetable has been disrupted and revised numerous times throughout this whole fiasco, and at the end of the day the EFL are the governing body, so probably just hear other club's concerns and now want to make sure that they can implement any punishment (if guilty) this season. Plus it was due to start in July anyway, so the difference is what, 10 days? Considering that the charges were made last year, I doubt that there is anything that either legal team can add to their respective cases in that amount of time, that isn't already in there. If this story is true, the EFL have allowed part of the process to be influenced by clubs who can gain from a negative outcome for swfc. That is stupid as it will give us another avenue of appeal should the case go against us. They should have not have been influenced in any way, and this could be used against them as a sign of a lack of impartially on the matter. They should have just stuck to the original timescale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Owl1987 said: I dont think this case is a slam dunk. The EFL appear to have given some sort of indication that what happened was okay. They probably did that wrongly. The Owls are probably trying to argue something along the lines of legitimate expectation. Even if in the wrong the reasoning behind why this was done should go in our favour and reduce the penalty imposed. EFL need this out the way. Understandably those at the bottom will want this sorting with an adverse outcome for us. Keep the faith. If for example we don’t get docked points I wonder if the other clubs will be able to appeal it in anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, struckanerve said: And, if the decision goes against us due to pressure from other clubs -- ie injustice -- can we take this to a 'proper' court of law to overturn it? Come on now.... Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, paulvcooke said: If this story is true, the EFL have allowed part of the process to be influenced by clubs who can gain from a negative outcome for swfc. That is stupid as it will give us another avenue of appeal should the case go against us. They should have not have been influenced in any way, and this could be used against them as a sign of a lack of impartially on the matter. They should have just stuck to the original timescale. The EFL would just say 'Eh? It was nothing at all to do with pressure from any clubs. It was just a more convenient time to hold the meetings for all concerned" Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl1987 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: If for example we don’t get docked points I wonder if the other clubs will be able to appeal it in anyway. Doubt it. Only the club involved could really appeal. Even then I'm not sure how they works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, paulvcooke said: If this story is true, the EFL have allowed part of the process to be influenced by clubs who can gain from a negative outcome for swfc. That is stupid as it will give us another avenue of appeal should the case go against us. They should have not have been influenced in any way, and this could be used against them as a sign of a lack of impartially on the matter. They should have just stuck to the original timescale. Not really, the EFL have said all along that they were determined to get this resolved this season. Therefore, I think it is within their gift to make amendments to the timetable as they see fit. Unless anyone hears different, I expect the club and legal team will have been informed and agreed to it. Who knows though, and in any case Chansiri is likely to appeal, I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest struckanerve Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Come on now.... Just wondering, someone else posted Barnsley are threatening legal action -- no idea if true. https://www.castrust.org/2020/05/barnsley-to-sue-the-efl/ "According to an article by Matt Slater and Nancy Frostick in The Athletic this week Barnsley are one of several clubs considering legal action against the EFL if they are relegated this season but Birmingham, Derby or Sheffield Wednesday are allowed to start next season in The Championship on minus points because of Financial Fair Play sanctions." Surely we should be willing to counter such threats with our own if we have a good case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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