striker Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: very good post. All makes sense but why is it taking so bloody long? EFL trying to save face? Who knows! IMO the EFL are grossly incompetent, so nothing surprises me when they are involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, striker said: For those proposing a points deduction, what rule have we broken? We've not been charged with breaching p&s, because we haven't (yet), therefore difficult to apply the penalty tariff widely referenced. The misconduct charge covers issues not in the explicit rules and in our case relates to the timing and payment terms of the stadium transaction. EFL may not like it, and I agree its morally suspect but, not an uncommon method of accounting for such transactions and perfectly lawful. The club had permission from EFL and the accounts signed off by auditors and the EFL (initially, when removing the enbargo). If the EFL tried to bring this case in court, in the real world, it would get thrown out. Misconduct covers a variety of sins, therefore the punishment similarly wide reaching. As the charges against individuals dropped, unlikely to prove any deliberate attempt to mislead. The EFL have an awful lot to prove, in order to make any charge stick, against a club owner who won't roll over and be bullied. Fingers crossed your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 and so it goes on, and on, and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Ever the pessimist said: The Athletic saying there are concerns it won’t be sorted before next season is due to start. It will go to appeal no matter what and itll drag over until next season I reckon anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanchez_Jenks Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I can only think we're guilty of breaking the rules, but we have this smoking gun which is written permission from an EFL employee or representative to do what we did. The argument thus being, we only broke the rules because you said we could, so can you punish us proportionally for that? All conjecture of course but this must be what isn't easy to give a verdict and appropriate punishment on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: History hasn't really been kind to all those sheep who slated the Black Balloon thing has it? Supporting that chairman at that time now looks to have been foolish to say the least Done a great job at Chezzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Grandad said: Done a great job at Chezzy And makes DC look like Santa Claus...small memories some people 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Grandad said: Done a great job at Chezzy Keep it civil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, bladeshater said: Keep it civil Parasites all fuckem' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, TheCityIsOurs said: They won’t relegate us, it’ll cause them even more problems In what respect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, striker said: For those proposing a points deduction, what rule have we broken? We've not been charged with breaching p&s, because we haven't (yet), therefore difficult to apply the penalty tariff widely referenced. The misconduct charge covers issues not in the explicit rules and in our case relates to the timing and payment terms of the stadium transaction. EFL may not like it, and I agree its morally suspect but, not an uncommon method of accounting for such transactions and perfectly lawful. The club had permission from EFL and the accounts signed off by auditors and the EFL (initially, when removing the enbargo). If the EFL tried to bring this case in court, in the real world, it would get thrown out. Misconduct covers a variety of sins, therefore the punishment similarly wide reaching. As the charges against individuals dropped, unlikely to prove any deliberate attempt to mislead. The EFL have an awful lot to prove, in order to make any charge stick, against a club owner who won't roll over and be bullied. This is how I see it - I just can't see how they say, 'that's the rule you broke 100% and there's the respective punishment.' It's all too vague and IMO the charges have been engineered to stop other clubs going down this route. I suspect we'll be the last one to do it, and the door will then be (belatedly) shut by the EFL. They should have structured the rules properly in the first place and people like DC and others wouldn't have had the opportunity to do what they've done. They didn't and that's simply down to their incompetency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazapeps Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, striker said: Who knows! IMO the EFL are grossly incompetent, so nothing surprises me when they are involved. IMO Chansiri is incompetent and nothing surprises me when he’s involved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miffed Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: History hasn't really been kind to all those sheep who slated the Black Balloon thing has it? Supporting that chairman at that time now looks to have been foolish to say the least Whether people agree with it or not, I find Wednesday fans to be the most apathetic supporters. Sit down and complain about everything and then attack anyone else who tries to do anything. Its the exact same with the new supporters group. Its barely got off the ground, yet people have been laying into them since the beginning. Say what you want about how Chansiri but this season alone he has had to deal with..... The situation where Bruce walked out on the eve of a new season (after patiently backing him) The compensation situation Finding a new manager The farce with SAG closing the stadium The EFL charge Other sets of supporters would turn this into an "everyone against us" situation and create a siege mentality...... not us Instead its a case of finding every tiny little stick to try beat the chairman and manager..... and then slate anyone else who tries do do something about the current situation without seeing the irony of doing nothing about it themselves. 9 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Anything? No? Cool. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Grandad said: Yeah soz. I just don't see how we can value Hillsborough at £60m just 2 years after DC bought the club (including Hillsborough) for £35m, then backdate it in the accounts to a time before the company that bought it was formed, with no transfer at the Land Registry until 2 years after the sale - without it looking dodgy Regardless of whether weve got an email from someone at the EFL saying "Yeah - go for it" I'd say its AT LEAST what Birmingham got with some extra thrown in for good measure. Applied this season. Totally agree mate. Ours isn't just your run of the mill breach of FFP, it's a misconduct charge, which carries a penalty of anything from a slap on the wrist to expulsion from the EFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acquiescefc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Fixtures out for new season yet? if so which league are we in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, jamese said: 2 years? I thought it was in the accounts in 2018 and on the land Registry in 2019? Yes thought that was the case And you can novate a contract between exchange and completion. The absolute key document here is the contract for sale - was it an unconditional and binding sale at 31st July 2018. If so for accounting purposes that is the date you would take. Not legal completion, not date of cash transfer, not when Maguire says it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, acquiescefc said: Fixtures out for new season yet? if so which league are we in? NPL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxOwl Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Nowt happening today. Every one at the EFL knocks off at lunch time Fridays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Absolute disgrace this Fans been treat with utter contempt, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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