sonofbert2 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, room0035 said: I just think the excuse of bad advise last a year maybe but if you are in business and one supplier keeps giving you dodgy equipment you don't use him and go elsewhere. DC has been using the same excuse for 5 years. The first season when in 3 month Glenn Roeder built us a play off final team mixed with good free agents already at the club. Once Roeder was got rid of the recruitment since then has been a complete shambles. Bruce came in brought in Iorfa for a decent fee and focused on the free agents and loan market. For me when we have a good manager or good people in the recruitment is better, if we leave it to DC and a bad manager we are basically throughing mud at a wall and hoping some of it sticks. Bruce brought in his own scouts. I believe they’re still here? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Bruce brought in his own scouts. I believe they’re still here? I just find it hard to believe that Bruce scouts brought us Windass and Wickham in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Bruce brought in his own scouts. I believe they’re still here? They are David Downes and Dean Hughes Edited July 15, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, room0035 said: I just find it hard to believe that Bruce scouts brought us Windass and Wickham in? I have no idea but I’m not aware of them ever leaving. Iorfa and Odubajo - definitely theirs - see fans’ opinions - list is endless..... In the Championship generally it’s average players being paid too much money and that is the problem. Edited July 15, 2020 by sonofbert2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, room0035 said: For me when we have a good manager or good people in the recruitment is better, if we leave it to DC and a bad manager we are basically throughing mud at a wall and hoping some of it sticks. Errrrr the scouts are the same now as they were when Steve Bruce was here Have another go but next time try talking facts 4 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, room0035 said: I just find it hard to believe that Bruce scouts brought us Windass and Wickham in? Bruce scouts signed Moses Odubajo so I don’t know why you would be surprised at CW and JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazapeps Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, dan1980 said: Ok you are talking b****x What a fantastically mature and insightful response 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Enough cheerleaders !!? Come on don’t talk absolute shi5te eh ? What is it with this forum if you post something that isn’t immediately negative towards the owner your straight away his step son or frigging PA ? The chairman has taken full responsibility in regards FFP Calm thi'sen darn FFS. Did I say that you were one of them? No. But they are on here, and if you haven't spotted them yet then you might need to pay more attention to what folk are posting. And your reaction towards me, betrays the same kind of hysteria that you are accusing me of in the first place. I never questioned whether he had taken responsibility, I said that whether he has or not, some will automatically point the finger elsewhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 minute ago, bazapeps said: What a fantastically mature and insightful response Stop telling porkys then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: In the Championship generally it’s average players being paid too much money and that is the problem. In our case, the problem as I see it is we have paid excessively for the wrong or inappropriate type of player and not to any defined plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazapeps Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, dan1980 said: Stop telling porkys then Which bit? If you think something I posted was incorrect be mature about it and say why it was wrong and which bit etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gizowl Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Bruce brought in his own scouts. I believe they’re still here? Dibs Dib Dib, I promise to do my best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 No Result, must be an Error in 404 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick70 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Recruitment first season under Carlos was by transfer committee and by and large mostly good signings? Then one by one they all left over a few months to be left with one person in charge who goes hand in hand with doyen apparently? Since this happened loads of players have arrived that haven’t played much? Done where you couldn’t even see where they would fit in the team? Abdi urby Jones mcmanaman Boyd bates etc even a cup from that first season ? Lachman mcgeady wiggins the list goes on? So to sum it up we spent loads on players that hardly played massive wages with some of them? So until dc changes who dec on transfers can’t see how any manager gona be successful really? There were rumers that Bruce had become annoyed that his targets wasn’t getting chased before he jumped ship??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Nixon stirring the pot , couple of tweets about looking to sign a few and told someone we’ve loads of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffwed1 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mrbluesky said: Can`t ever remember that. I vaguely remember him saying this at a fans forum when he was on one of his long rants. (The selling Hunt so Palmer could play comment) Edited July 15, 2020 by sheffwed1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: In our case, the problem as I see it is we have paid excessively for the wrong or inappropriate type of player and not to any defined plan. Well the defined plan was to get promoted but the manager(s) haven't managed to get the players we have to deliver that plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodger Wylde Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mick70 said: Recruitment first season under Carlos was by transfer committee and by and large mostly good signings? Then one by one they all left over a few months to be left with one person in charge who goes hand in hand with doyen apparently? Since this happened loads of players have arrived that haven’t played much? Done where you couldn’t even see where they would fit in the team? Abdi urby Jones mcmanaman Boyd bates etc even a cup from that first season ? Lachman mcgeady wiggins the list goes on? So to sum it up we spent loads on players that hardly played massive wages with some of them? So until dc changes who dec on transfers can’t see how any manager gona be successful really? There were rumers that Bruce had become annoyed that his targets wasn’t getting chased before he jumped ship??? That's an awful lot of questions! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I’ll give you one perfect example of our transfer policy versus our manager’s player management philosophy. Everyone was screaming for a centre-half, a leader when Loovens’ legs were going. We signed Venancio, never saw him until CC left and Jos came in. Perfect replacement, loved it here then we weren’t in a position to make his loan a permanent signing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 minute ago, soldierboyblue said: Well the defined plan was to get promoted but the manager(s) haven't managed to get the players we have to deliver that plan Getting promoted is not a plan, it's a desired outcome or target. A plan is a series of actions and resources needed to achieve the desired outcome. From a business perspective, I have seen little or no evidence that this has been been carried out in a correct or efficient manner. The evidence that it hasn't is the continuous failure to meet financial constraints, firefighting and "fag packet" solutions to cash flow issues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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