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1 minute ago, nbupperthongowl said:

But can it still be taken higher (like a proper court decision) appeal?

 

Not suggesting that we do, but suspect DC may

Dunno. Thing is with CAS (I think) is you can’t just take your case to them. You can apply, but it’s up to them if they agree there’s grounds for appeal. 
 

Again. I’m guessing on that 

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I'm firmly in the belief that if they are going to deduct points, get it done this season. Regardless of what happens, kinda got to take our medicine on this one. 

 

If we go into another season with yet more points deducted, that's just effectively writing off yet another season, ie its pretty much a waste of time starting it. As it will end up in relegation anyway. 

 

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Where’s tHis idea come from that the most it could be is 12 points? I though that there were potential aggravating factors which could increase the deduction to circa 24 points?

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2 minutes ago, Maddogbob said:

I'm firmly in the belief that if they are going to deduct points, get it done this season. Regardless of what happens, kinda got to take our medicine on this one. 

 

If we go into another season with yet more points deducted, that's just effectively writing off yet another season, ie its pretty much a waste of time starting it. As it will end up in relegation anyway. 

 

As has been alluded to by some, if we take a points deduction now and further deduction suspended, IF we break P&S rules again when our 18/19 accounts are announced shortly, the suspended points deduction would kick in next season anyway. 
 

BUT. If the original deduction comes off next season, then we break PnS again I guess the suspended points would come off at the same time?

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5 minutes ago, Maddogbob said:

Regardless of what happens, kinda got to take our medicine on this one. 

 

Just a spoonful of sugar may help... 

 

Yours

Mary Poppins

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Just now, bazapeps said:

Where’s tHis idea come from that the most it could be is 12 points? I though that there were potential aggravating factors which could increase the deduction to circa 24 points?

There are. 
 

iirc our punishment for the breach is 9 or 12 and I doubt any of that would be suspended. The aggravating bit can be up to an additional 12 which, I believe, all or some of it could be suspended pending a further breach 

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1 hour ago, bladeshater said:

I honestly have no Idea how this is going to pan out

 

Source?

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6 minutes ago, Maddogbob said:

I'm firmly in the belief that if they are going to deduct points, get it done this season. Regardless of what happens, kinda got to take our medicine on this one. 

 

If we go into another season with yet more points deducted, that's just effectively writing off yet another season, ie its pretty much a waste of time starting it. As it will end up in relegation anyway. 

 

I agree, would kill all hope before we even start. 

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17 minutes ago, Dagmeister's Shadow said:

My mistake. Begs the question why bother with the stadium sale which it would appear only delays the inevitable??

Because without it, the rolling three accounting period would have crippled us for years. Look at it this way, without it.

 

16/17 £20.6m loss

17/18 £37m loss

18/19 £30m loss (est)

Total losses £87.6m against an allowance of £39m. They'd have thrown the book at us and more, we'd be starting this season and next in Div 2.

 

17/18 £37m loss

18/19 £30m loss (est)

19/20 £20m loss (est)

Total losses £87m again. Not just breaking the P&S limits, blowing them out of the water again...another punishment.

 

18/19 £30m loss (est)

19/20 £20m loss (est)

20/21 £15m loss (est)

£65m losses. Still breaking the limits by £m's

 

We, as a club and fan base, are going to have to accept that extremely tough times are ahead and a substantial reduction in the transfer and wage budget will have to be adhered to, if we are to ever recover from the past few years of massively overspending.

 

 

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1 hour ago, billyblack said:

What a load of manure if thats the case, how can punishments depend on league positions, there is either a rule in place with penalties or there isnt, any decision should be released straight upon outcome of decision. Pointless

 

 

I'd take that Billy.

To receive no points i mean, not to be left pointless.

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Just now, Essix Blue said:

As has been alluded to by some, if we take a points deduction now and further deduction suspended, IF we break P&S rules again when our 18/19 accounts are announced shortly, the suspended points deduction would kick in next season anyway. 
 

BUT. If the original deduction comes off next season, then we break PnS again I guess the suspended points would come off at the same time?

Hmmm, if that's the case, we are in a hole and honestly get relegated this year with one and again next year with another. We could be looking at 4th teir football. 

 

A further deduction next year, means it's pretty pointless turning up in the first place (Bolton). 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said:

I’m convinced a points deduction of some sort is coming.

 

If indeed the verdict is delivered this week, with Fulham on Saturday we REALLY need to pick up 3 points tonight.

 

With Wigan due to be deducted 12 points, we are currently 11 points above the bottom 3, of by the time of the announcement we were 14 points above the bottom 3 that would be huge!!


if it was a 9 point deduction I think we would be okay. 12 points and it would be very tough imo. Would hate to be going in to the last game against Boro with Warnock as their manager knowing that we have to win. The stress would be too much to take! 

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Just now, WalthamOwl said:


if it was a 9 point deduction I think we would be okay. 12 points and it would be very tough imo. Would hate to be going in to the last game against Boro with Warnock as their manager knowing that we have to win. The stress would be too much to take! 

Agreed but if the gap after tonight is between 11-14 points, we give ourselves the best possible chance of coping with a deduction. 
 

A result tonight could be huge for us.

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2 minutes ago, deano said:

I agree, would kill all hope before we even start. 

I'd be furious, if I'd payed out for a s/t. Only to find out I'm watching a season long relegation party for the 4th teir of English football. 

 

Wow, imagine that. 

 

 

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When asked about FFP, didn't our owner say we had friends, or am I getting this mixed up with somat else.

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If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season

 

based on that we’d be better off getting a deduction now

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2 minutes ago, Mcguigan said:

Because without it, the rolling three accounting period would have crippled us for years. Look at it this way, without it.

 

16/17 £20.6m loss

17/18 £37m loss

18/19 £30m loss (est)

Total losses £87.6m against an allowance of £39m. They'd have thrown the book at us and more, we'd be starting this season and next in Div 2.

 

17/18 £37m loss

18/19 £30m loss (est)

19/20 £20m loss (est)

Total losses £87m again. Not just breaking the P&S limits, blowing them out of the water again...another punishment.

 

18/19 £30m loss (est)

19/20 £20m loss (est)

20/21 £15m loss (est)

£65m losses. Still breaking the limits by £m's

 

We, as a club and fan base, are going to have to accept that extremely tough times are ahead and a substantial reduction in the transfer and wage budget will have to be adhered to, if we are to ever recover from the past few years of massively overspending.

 

 

 

How much did we sell the stadium for? 60 million?

 

That doesn't seem enough...we are screwed if we are losing 20 million every season regardless.

 

Time to put a wage cap in place within the club. 

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2 minutes ago, Mcguigan said:

Because without it, the rolling three accounting period would have crippled us for years. Look at it this way, without it.

 

16/17 £20.6m loss

17/18 £37m loss

18/19 £30m loss (est)

Total losses £87.6m against an allowance of £39m. They'd have thrown the book at us and more, we'd be starting this season and next in Div 2.

 

17/18 £37m loss

18/19 £30m loss (est)

19/20 £20m loss (est)

Total losses £87m again. Not just breaking the P&S limits, blowing them out of the water again...another punishment.

 

18/19 £30m loss (est)

19/20 £20m loss (est)

20/21 £15m loss (est)

£65m losses. Still breaking the limits by £m's

 

We, as a club and fan base, are going to have to accept that extremely tough times are ahead and a substantial reduction in the transfer and wage budget will have to be adhered to, if we are to ever recover from the past few years of massively overspending.

 

 

 

Even with the ground sale we are likely looking at another breach. 

 

This could impact us for another 2 seasons yet - Very bleak. 

 

Really all this does is highlight the shocking mismanagement of the club since Chansiri came in. Frighteningly out of his depth, still.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, bazapeps said:

If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season

Yep that's the fear. To be honest, why don't they just chuck us in league 2 and be done with it. 

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2 minutes ago, bazapeps said:

If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season

 

based on that we’d be better off getting a deduction now

And maybe that’s the arguement going on now with DC and the EFL. 

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