Maddogbob Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Essix Blue said: As has been alluded to by some, if we take a points deduction now and further deduction suspended, IF we break P&S rules again when our 18/19 accounts are announced shortly, the suspended points deduction would kick in next season anyway. BUT. If the original deduction comes off next season, then we break PnS again I guess the suspended points would come off at the same time? Hmmm, if that's the case, we are in a hole and honestly get relegated this year with one and again next year with another. We could be looking at 4th teir football. A further deduction next year, means it's pretty pointless turning up in the first place (Bolton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: I’m convinced a points deduction of some sort is coming. If indeed the verdict is delivered this week, with Fulham on Saturday we REALLY need to pick up 3 points tonight. With Wigan due to be deducted 12 points, we are currently 11 points above the bottom 3, of by the time of the announcement we were 14 points above the bottom 3 that would be huge!! if it was a 9 point deduction I think we would be okay. 12 points and it would be very tough imo. Would hate to be going in to the last game against Boro with Warnock as their manager knowing that we have to win. The stress would be too much to take! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, WalthamOwl said: if it was a 9 point deduction I think we would be okay. 12 points and it would be very tough imo. Would hate to be going in to the last game against Boro with Warnock as their manager knowing that we have to win. The stress would be too much to take! Agreed but if the gap after tonight is between 11-14 points, we give ourselves the best possible chance of coping with a deduction. A result tonight could be huge for us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, deano said: I agree, would kill all hope before we even start. I'd be furious, if I'd payed out for a s/t. Only to find out I'm watching a season long relegation party for the 4th teir of English football. Wow, imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 When asked about FFP, didn't our owner say we had friends, or am I getting this mixed up with somat else. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazapeps Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season based on that we’d be better off getting a deduction now Edited July 14, 2020 by bazapeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Because without it, the rolling three accounting period would have crippled us for years. Look at it this way, without it. 16/17 £20.6m loss 17/18 £37m loss 18/19 £30m loss (est) Total losses £87.6m against an allowance of £39m. They'd have thrown the book at us and more, we'd be starting this season and next in Div 2. 17/18 £37m loss 18/19 £30m loss (est) 19/20 £20m loss (est) Total losses £87m again. Not just breaking the P&S limits, blowing them out of the water again...another punishment. 18/19 £30m loss (est) 19/20 £20m loss (est) 20/21 £15m loss (est) £65m losses. Still breaking the limits by £m's We, as a club and fan base, are going to have to accept that extremely tough times are ahead and a substantial reduction in the transfer and wage budget will have to be adhered to, if we are to ever recover from the past few years of massively overspending. How much did we sell the stadium for? 60 million? That doesn't seem enough...we are screwed if we are losing 20 million every season regardless. Time to put a wage cap in place within the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Owl Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Because without it, the rolling three accounting period would have crippled us for years. Look at it this way, without it. 16/17 £20.6m loss 17/18 £37m loss 18/19 £30m loss (est) Total losses £87.6m against an allowance of £39m. They'd have thrown the book at us and more, we'd be starting this season and next in Div 2. 17/18 £37m loss 18/19 £30m loss (est) 19/20 £20m loss (est) Total losses £87m again. Not just breaking the P&S limits, blowing them out of the water again...another punishment. 18/19 £30m loss (est) 19/20 £20m loss (est) 20/21 £15m loss (est) £65m losses. Still breaking the limits by £m's We, as a club and fan base, are going to have to accept that extremely tough times are ahead and a substantial reduction in the transfer and wage budget will have to be adhered to, if we are to ever recover from the past few years of massively overspending. Even with the ground sale we are likely looking at another breach. This could impact us for another 2 seasons yet - Very bleak. Really all this does is highlight the shocking mismanagement of the club since Chansiri came in. Frighteningly out of his depth, still. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, bazapeps said: If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season Yep that's the fear. To be honest, why don't they just chuck us in league 2 and be done with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, bazapeps said: If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season based on that we’d be better off getting a deduction now And maybe that’s the arguement going on now with DC and the EFL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Sorry if this has been covered, but has there ever been a situation whereby a team has been given a points deduction greater than the number of points available left to play for? Obviously excluding going into administration because there's an immediate rule for that. Starting to think we're almost definitely going to get it starting next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, bazapeps said: If this current point deduction comes in next season and we then get a further deduction after the current accounts are released then we’d be pretty much down before a ball is kicked next season based on that we’d be better off getting a deduction now Or we get a deduction this season and go down, then get another deduction next season. Remember that time we were in L1 and got v close to relegation to L2? Wasn’t that long ago....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ferkorf Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 So we won the case... Then it was -12 -6 -21 -15 -9 -12 with an extra 9 suspended... Then the really special people said it was -12 with 9 now and 3 suspended And none of which is right yet as its still ongoing but that doesn't register with anyone.. Not like we are in the middle of a pandemic which might be interupting matters.. Regards Kojak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, H2Owl said: Even with the ground sale we are likely looking at another breach. This could impact us for another 2 seasons yet - Very bleak. Really all this does is highlight the shocking mismanagement of the club since Chansiri came in. Frighteningly out of his depth, still. Yep, even more so when all we really have to show for it is a Desso pitch and new scoreboard. About £100m each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: Agreed but if the gap after tonight is between 11-14 points, we give ourselves the best possible chance of coping with a deduction. A result tonight could be huge for us. Said this the other day, tonight is a huge game with this hanging over us. 3 points is a must. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, TaxiMark said: Said this the other day, tonight is a huge game with this hanging over us. 3 points is a must. But pretty much irrelevant if we get deducted again next season. For yet more failure accounts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazapeps Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 It really is such a tiny minority of our fan base that appreciate the current and future issues our club is going to have and an even smaller minority that understand the level of mismanagement of chansiri 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ferkorf said: So we won the case... Then it was -12 -6 -21 -15 -9 -12 with an extra 9 suspended... Then the really special people said it was -12 with 9 now and 3 suspended And none of which is right yet as its still ongoing but that doesn't register with anyone.. Not like we are in the middle of a pandemic which might be interupting matters.. Regards Kojak Dont forget we're going into administration as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Maddogbob said: But pretty much irrelevant if we get deducted again next season. For yet more failure accounts. IF fans can eventually attend next season, we aren’t gonna sell many STs in L1 starting on -9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF_Owl Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Because without it, the rolling three accounting period would have crippled us for years. Look at it this way, without it. 16/17 £20.6m loss 17/18 £37m loss 18/19 £30m loss (est) Total losses £87.6m against an allowance of £39m. They'd have thrown the book at us and more, we'd be starting this season and next in Div 2. 17/18 £37m loss 18/19 £30m loss (est) 19/20 £20m loss (est) Total losses £87m again. Not just breaking the P&S limits, blowing them out of the water again...another punishment. 18/19 £30m loss (est) 19/20 £20m loss (est) 20/21 £15m loss (est) £65m losses. Still breaking the limits by £m's We, as a club and fan base, are going to have to accept that extremely tough times are ahead and a substantial reduction in the transfer and wage budget will have to be adhered to, if we are to ever recover from the past few years of massively overspending. When you look at these numbers it makes me think we SHOULD be deducted points and SHOULD be punished severely, it's awful reading. The longer we avoid punishment the more we'll continue in this vein until the bubble well and truly bursts. It's not like we are achieving anything close to success while skirting FFP rules, we're just delaying the inevitable. Take the punishment we fully deserve, relegation or not and hope it wakes DC up on how to run the club properly. Rebuild over the next few years. We won't like sinking in to league 1 or worse but we'll still be there in numbers regardless. The pigs have shown (annoyingly) it is possible to go from league 1 to fighting for a European place in a matter of years. Get the club sorted off the field first and the rest will follow. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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