Guest Grandad Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bucksowl said: If we had been under DA we would not have survived the covid issue of the past 3 months, Time will tell what the impact will be on our club going forward but I believe there are many at the club who are grateful DC was running the club. Grandad we can all moan I remember you have always had strong views (and I agree with many) but the constant lambasting of our owner by some people on this site (and I am told other sites) will only create a bunker mentality to those in charge. Yes we are in a better position but yes it should be much better (however it could also have been a lot worse remember the past). I don't believe we are in a better position, either on or off the pitch. I think the decisions he has made have been woeful But thats not to say I'm not grateful for Mr Chansiris input during the Covid-19 crisis. As I said right from the start - if we go 6 months without fans in the ground the Chairman will need to find over £20m just to pay the wages. Without him - I strongly believe the club would have folded - and quite possibly before Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Bucksowl said: A very blinkered view that is sorry. The club is in a better position than when DA was in charge, we do have money (yes we all would spend it differently ), It is easy to criticise and hindsight is an exact science. An no I was not happy when the ground was sold, however I am sure advise was taken, whether that advise was correct or not I am sure we will find out in the not to distant future. Wait till you see the next accounts at the end of the month..let’s see how good a position we are in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, the third man said: But the season was due to finish in May, the hearing was never set to take place before the end of the season, so there must be a case for any points deduction to take place next season, or at least grounds to appeal if a possible points deduction relegates us this season We don't know that the hearing was set to take place after May. In fact there may not have been any disciplinary proceedings, because the arbitration case was supposed to decide if disciplinary proceedings could proceed at all But we don't know what happened to that arbitration case. Personal misconduct charges were dropped on 20 March and the arbitration case seems to have morphed into disciplinary proceedings. A report said the Disciplinary Commission started work on April 10. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-wednesday-efl-hearing-points-18076336 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Im gunna do a de marco here; ....Wednesday is always the nicest day of the week, always a lovely day to wake up too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: If...and yes I know...a big IF...we get through this with no points deduction and the panel, in its summing up, heavily criticise the EFL for trying to “stitch” DC up with misleading advice, there will still be folk wanting DC to “get out of our club”, their view but at some point we’re going to have to accept mistakes have been made and that everyone from the chairman to Ozzie Owl wants this club to be a success. ”The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there.” the panel would rather saw its arm off than criticise the efl, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. perhaps they'll likely 'point out discrepancies in procedures' that are being acted upon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Grandad said: I don't believe we are in a better position, either on or off the pitch. I think the decisions he has made have been woeful But thats not to say I'm not grateful for Mr Chansiris input during the Covid-19 crisis. As I said right from the start - if we go 6 months without fans in the ground the Chairman will need to find over £20m just to pay the wages. Without him - I strongly believe the club would have folded - and quite possibly before Wigan. Lets agree to disagree on this, there are more important things in this world to argue about. At least you see DC's value over covid 19 their may well still be hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: on the pitch, agree, we’ve stood still for 5 years, but with the amount of cash he’s pumping in, he deserves another go at it....with lessons learned hopefully! edit: apologies, just realised your question was aimed at someone else We haven’t stood still. We went forward in DC’s first year and then we’ve gone backward every year since 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 So anyway we've got John Harkes on the podcast this Thursday at 9pm. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: Wait till you see the next accounts at the end of the month..let’s see how good a position we are in... The accounts are irrelevant as long as we have a line of credit that provides funds for us to continue to operate. And yes they will look awful suspect 2021 accounts will be even worse unless crowds are allowed back in to grounds Edited July 7, 2020 by Bucksowl spelling an to and 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Bucksowl said: The accounts are irrelevant as long as we have a line of credit that provides funds for us to continue to operate. Ad yes they will look awful suspect 2021 accounts will be even worse unless crowds are allowed back in to grounds Whatever way we look at it...there is no way this club is in a good place at the moment..on or off the pitch..it’s just not possible to say we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazapeps Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 When is it when people make valid criticisms of DC that others raise Dave Allen, it literally has nothing to do with judging the actions of DC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybeararmy Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bucksowl said: The accounts are irrelevant as long as we have a line of credit that provides funds for us to continue to operate. And yes they will look awful suspect 2021 accounts will be even worse unless crowds are allowed back in to grounds There far from irrelevant, we could break p&s again and face another points deduction for next season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, pat blondeau said: We haven’t stood still. We went forward in DC’s first year and then we’ve gone backward every year since And now are further back than we were when he joined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksowl Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, teddybeararmy said: There far from irrelevant, we could break p&s again and face another points deduction for next season The EFL will have to relax the rules around P&S or every club in the EFL (that survive) will break them over the remainder of this season and next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: Wait till you see the next accounts at the end of the month..let’s see how good a position we are in... Presumably we will be around the £20m loss mark based on the trading in the year and the fact Abdi, Jones, Matias, Fletcher, Fessi and the rest were still on the wage bill until the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybeararmy Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Bucksowl said: The EFL will have to relax the rules around P&S or every club in the EFL (that survive) will break them over the remainder of this season and next season. Its already been mooted that it will be relaxed for this season but the next set of accounts are for 18-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bucksowl said: The EFL will have to relax the rules around P&S or every club in the EFL (that survive) will break them over the remainder of this season and next season. But the current preceding are for the 2017/18 season not last season 2018/19 we haven't filed those account yet so we will face charge if we break £21m ish in the account that need to be filed no later than 31 July 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 We were in a better position than the “old guard” days, probably about 2 seasons ago. But right now I‘m not sure if we’re on an even keel with those days, or worse off. Depends how you look at it...either way I don’t think we’re in a better position anymore sadly. Chansiri is happy to continue paying for our losses right now, but what happens when that dries up, or his enthusiasm dries up? We might end up on the high court steps again, just like the the old guard who decided they didn’t want to chuck anymore money at the cause. At least back then, as a fan base, we knew we were up poo creek without a paddle, and generally we were united behind just supporting the team and trying to get some change in the boardroom. We were not paying high ticket prices either. I think the bloke means well, but he’s needed help since day one. He disbanded the transfer committee Unnecessarily and far too quickly. Sad thing is that, with the right people involved, his cash, enthusiasm and passion, stuff could have been so much better imo. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Grandad said: And now are further back than we were when he joined All that money spent and the position on and off the pitch we find ourselves in Is absolutely shocking. Such poor business leadership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, Big Jack said: DA the man who called fans cretins and wanted to sue fans. Let's leave that obnoxious little man in the past. Things are bad enough now we don't want to add insult to injury. Whats worse cretins or obnoxious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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