Sheff74 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Royal_D said: You would think any guilty verdict against the club would go hand in hand in with a misconduct charge against the owner, but the EFL lost that one They dropped the misconduct charges before they went to the panel, so didn't lose them as such. Maybe to focus on one case rather than four, but who knows. It would seem odd that individuals are off the hook but the club is still liable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickjj Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, toooldforthis said: Thoughts... Would it be better taking a 12 point hit this season to get it out of the way? If we get relegated, we would look to strengthen the squad, quite possibly come top and be on a high the following season and could do a Leicester or United. If we don't get relegated then we start afresh next season and strengthen knowing where we stand. If we aren't deducted the points this season and take a hit starting next season with a 12 point deduction then promotion is very unlikely and costs will be higher anyway. Do we want to take the hit this season or next? Assuming we are found to be in breach...I think we would have heard by now if we weren't in breach. Get relegated then finish top? I'm sure that Sunderland, Portsmouth, Forest etc all thought the same but it doesn't work that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sheff74 said: They dropped the misconduct charges before they went to the panel, so didn't lose them as such. Maybe to focus on one case rather than four, but who knows. It would seem odd that individuals are off the hook but the club is still liable. Not so sure. my guess (yep that’s all it is) is that EFL couldn’t prove those three had acted deliberately against the rules / law. Doesn’t mean the club go Scott free, it’s possible SWFC broke the rules without finding any single person had acted fraudulently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. benway Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, billyblack said: Our accounts (when they get submitted) will be awful i suspect. There is nothing to suggest otherwise. It's okay, when we win the case we can put the compensation from the EFL into the previous accounts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mickjj said: Get relegated then finish top? I'm sure that Sunderland, Portsmouth, Forest etc all thought the same but it doesn't work that way. people have short memories. We’ve been in division 3 twice in the past 20 years. Both times we were there for 2 seasons and both times when we eventually got promoted it was far from easy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, dr. benway said: It's okay, when we win the case we can put the compensation from the EFL into the previous accounts Perhaps we can spread the compensation around the last 4 years, make everything look less worse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Essix Blue said: people have short memories. We’ve been in division 3 twice in the past 20 years. Both times we were there for 2 seasons and both times when we eventually got promoted it was far from easy I'm sure people said the same when we dropped from the Prem too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Did anyone from Brum get charged with misconduct when they got 9 points deducted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Junglejay said: It’s all ifs and buts (well it is from my side) but if we lost and only received a 6 point penalty, I’d fully expect some kind of legal action from one of the relegated clubs. Which I suppose wouldn’t be our problem. One thing which is for certain is that it’s all one big mess. What legal action could they bring? You didn't give them a big enough deduction to stop us being relegated so it's not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr g 1999 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 If we are found not guilty, would that mean that we would be starting the FFP ladder again? DC sold the stadium for 60 odd million which resulted in us posting a 2 million profit over the last 3 years if I'm not mistaken? So, if found not guilty, would that mean that we would be able to spend what we want going forward as long as we don't breach the FFP rules for the next 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickywire Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Burnsie said: I'm sure people said the same when we dropped from the Prem too Don't you still have your "Premiership Return Ticket"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William 1867 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Burnsie said: I'm sure people said the same when we dropped from the Prem too Yes I did in 1970, but look what happened after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, mr g 1999 said: If we are found not guilty, would that mean that we would be starting the FFP ladder again? DC sold the stadium for 60 odd million which resulted in us posting a 2 million profit over the last 3 years if I'm not mistaken? So, if found not guilty, would that mean that we would be able to spend what we want going forward as long as we don't breach the FFP rules for the next 3 years? You are mistaken It was a £2m profit for the season - after the stadium was sold - not for the collective 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr g 1999 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Grandad said: You are mistaken It was a £2m profit for the season - after the stadium was sold - not for the collective 3 seasons. I see, so regardless of the hearings outcome we'll still have our hands tied financially I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, mr g 1999 said: I see, so regardless of the hearings outcome we'll still have our hands tied financially I assume. Half the league will fail FFP with the amount owners will have to pump in until there allowed crowds back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, Royal_D said: Half the league will fail FFP with the amount owners will have to pump in until there allowed crowds back Those figures will be NEXT season and the League have already said that P&S will be relaxed as a result of Covid lockdown We have to be worried about what will happen when LAST seasons accounts are due - at the end of this month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 What happens on the pitch should stay on the pitch, Points won and lost. Anything else destroys the integrity of the game. Trying to deploy a system regarding financial integrity has too many factors in play makes it almost impossible. Small Towns, Big Cities; The pull of London for International players seems wholly unfair. The (Broke) Glaziers being able to borrow vast amount of money to buy Man U using negative equity in US as security; What was that about ? How can the governors of the game manage to keep a straight face while they compromise the financial integrity of the game while huge parachute payments compromise the integrity of the championship on every level. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Grandad said: Those figures will be NEXT season and the League have already said that P&S will be relaxed as a result of Covid lockdown We have to be worried about what will happen when LAST seasons accounts are due - at the end of this month Didn’t realise they had already announced that, fair play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Grandad said: Those figures will be NEXT season and the League have already said that P&S will be relaxed as a result of Covid lockdown We have to be worried about what will happen when LAST seasons accounts are due - at the end of this month Can't wait for the accounts being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Can't wait for the accounts being released. Madness innit? When football fans pay more attention to the accounts than the league table. I seem to know more about our legal team than our playing squad. You just couldn't make it up. (Which I probably did a little) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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