Owls Loyal Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 The thing in my view is that Jim is right. Monk is the Emperor's clothes. In reality there is nothing there behind the facade. Monk was fired by Swanse, fired by Boro and fired by Brum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, gurujuan said: No fan of Monk, or more importantly, the way he has us playing, but the one ray of hope for me, if he is to be in charge of the rebuild, is the players we have been linked with. Yes it could just be press speculation, but of the dozen or so players I’ve seen us linked with, they would all seem to fit the bill. They are generally younger players with a little bit about them, far from the finished article, but with a good chance making progress here at Wednesday They also fit the new budget reality. The hope is, that Monk may get this rebuild right, and once he has the players he wants, and perhaps the coaching staff, the football might improve. If he can then curb his penchant to self destruct, he may end up winning us doubters over. As a Wednesday fan first and foremost, I certainly don’t want him to fail just to prove my reservations were correct We will need stability during this rebuilding upheaval, if that makes sense, so everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction, including me Just out of interest. What have you seen in his managerial career so far, that’s suggests his rebuild will be anything short of disastrous? we all know it needs doing, but he doesn’t seem to have planned beyond the next two games yet alone for the next two years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcclesallOwl Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 15 hours ago, FreshOwl said: You don’t keep a manager solely on the basis of seeking longevity. Monk has proven here and elsewhere that he’s tactically void and can’t manage players. He’s not the man and never has been. But who do we bring in? I have no effin clue, there’s people paid for that I completely agree and I’ve always been an advocate of changing managers, not just keeping them for the sake of it. And look, I’m not even the biggest Monk fan - you can find a thread on here whilst we were doing well where we discussed if he was the right man for the job and questioned his subs/tactics. However, this is a man who’s managed in the Premier League (& done well). Managed 3 Championship clubs and down well at 2 - was shocking at Boro (not doing any better now though). He obviously knows things need to change and these players aren’t good enough - was he wrong to admit it so early on in the season? Probably. But everyone praised him for slating the players after the embarrassing performance at Wigan. Just doesn’t sit right with me to sack another manager who’s been failed by this sh*t show of a squad. We could give him time to rebuild and he could fail. We could give him time to rebuild and he could succeed. Time will only tell - and no matter how many people shout and tell us that we’re definitely going to fail with him in charge, no one knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 52 minutes ago, wednesdaywizard said: Such a bellend comment. He’s always on that belligerent defensive. I don’t like him at all. You just know that if you’ve seen the Blackpool tower, he’s seen the Eiffel Tower (and got kicked out of it for arguing with a Frenchman about how it should have been constructed). Jim or monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I don't care about Monk one way or another but the truth is DC isn't going to sack him unless we go down by failing to get any points from the remaining games. Even then he might not. DC sticks by people. Jos was a disaster but he stuck by him until there was a fans revolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Plonk said: Just out of interest. What have you seen in his managerial career so far, that’s suggests his rebuild will be anything short of disastrous? we all know it needs doing, but he doesn’t seem to have planned beyond the next two games yet alone for the next two years. Nothing, that’s why I’ve said the only ray of hope is the players we’ve been linked with. Bearing in mind, when it comes to recruitment, I’m normally super negative. The fact though, that those links have generally been, realistic for our budget, promising and for the areas we need to strengthen, gives me a little hope. It’s certainly not an about turn regarding my opinion of Monk, but surely it would be in all our interests if we were to be proved wrong? As you say, there’s nothing in his record to suggest that things will turn out different here, to the way they’ve turned out at his previous clubs, so although I remain sceptical, I do hope things might be different this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: Monk was fired by Swanse, fired by Boro and fired by Brum. How many more times do we have to have this peddled at us? Example... Big Ron Atkinson SACKED from Manchester United SACKED from Aston Villa SACKED from Athletico Madrid CONTRACT NOT RENEWED by Sheffield Wednesday That's four clubs - one more than Garry Monk - does that make Garry Monk a better manager than Big Ron? If we're going to assess Garry Monk's abilities let's not keep trotting out the 'well he got sacked before...' because it's literally meaningless. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 We can all say what we want or think ,But at the end of the day ,The owner will do what ever he wants or likes ,Chill out sit back and try and enjoy the ride . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Plonk said: Jim or monk? Shalom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: How many more times do we have to have this peddled at us? Example... Big Ron Atkinson SACKED from Manchester United SACKED from Aston Villa SACKED from Athletico Madrid CONTRACT NOT RENEWED by Sheffield Wednesday That's four clubs - one more than Garry Monk - does that make Garry Monk a better manager than Big Ron? If we're going to assess Garry Monk's abilities let's not keep trotting out the 'well he got sacked before...' because it's literally meaningless. I agree…...…….I prefer to judge on performances and recruitment...……...and I have to say the early indications aren't too good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markowski77 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: How many more times do we have to have this peddled at us? Example... Big Ron Atkinson SACKED from Manchester United SACKED from Aston Villa SACKED from Athletico Madrid CONTRACT NOT RENEWED by Sheffield Wednesday That's four clubs - one more than Garry Monk - does that make Garry Monk a better manager than Big Ron? If we're going to assess Garry Monk's abilities let's not keep trotting out the 'well he got sacked before...' because it's literally meaningless. Big Ron actually won something though - so you can’t really compare the 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Markowski77 said: Big Ron actually won something though - so you can’t really compare the 2 Nobody mentioned winning anything though mate They just mentioned how Monk had been sacked from other clubs So yes - in the context of talking about which managers have been sacked before - yes we can Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 He talked off this big clear out at the end of the season but I reckon there will be nothing like that, he will dish out contracts to the majority of these not good enough players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, WalthamOwl said: He talked off this big clear out at the end of the season but I reckon there will be nothing like that, he will dish out contracts to the majority of these not good enough players. Is that his fault though if that's the case? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said: He talked off this big clear out at the end of the season but I reckon there will be nothing like that, he will dish out contracts to the majority of these not good enough players. Be similar to last season I reckon, half a dozen in + plus loans, and perhaps double that going out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Is that his fault though if that's the case? Maybe? Maybe not? It would be another nail in his managerial coffin here. I’m out of Nails, so I’m going to see if Martin has any in his shed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Is that his fault though if that's the case? so you meant he doesn’t get a choice of who stays and who goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) He can talk tough but I think it’s pretty sad that we have a manager that most people aren’t bothered about. If we are honest not many believe in him. There’s no connection between Monk and the fans and I personally wouldn’t be bothered if he was replaced. Who honestly would be gutted if he left? Seriously? Monk is another on the long list of things at the club at the moment that I’m feeling a bit down about. We have a huge rebuild to do and I’m not convinced he’s best placed or has the record to do it. Edited June 18, 2020 by edinburghowl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: How many more times do we have to have this peddled at us? Example... Big Ron Atkinson SACKED from Manchester United SACKED from Aston Villa SACKED from Athletico Madrid CONTRACT NOT RENEWED by Sheffield Wednesday That's four clubs - one more than Garry Monk - does that make Garry Monk a better manager than Big Ron? If we're going to assess Garry Monk's abilities let's not keep trotting out the 'well he got sacked before...' because it's literally meaningless. TBH Niel I don’t care how many times he’s been sacked. I care about what he’s done at his previous clubs as a good indicator of what he’s capable of achieving. Don’t think there were many tears when he left his other clubs and there will be twirl all round when he leaves here. Honestly think he will be lucky to get another job other than the lower leagues and will drift out of the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, Plonk said: TBH Niel I don’t care how many times he’s been sacked. I care about what he’s done at his previous clubs as a good indicator of what he’s capable of achieving. Don’t think there were many tears when he left his other clubs and there will be twirl all round when he leaves here. Honestly think he will be lucky to get another job other than the lower leagues and will drift out of the game He’ll struggle to get another championship job once he leaves here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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