Owls-Fan Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, hirstyboywonder said: Did you expect him to say Monk hasn't got a clue and doesn't care about any attention to detail? Look what has happened to those who challenge his approach. Any club that has given him a pre season to work with have got rid of him within months, giving him more time is wasting more time, much like it was with Jos. Personally found it to be quite an honest interview myself, not often I read footballers saying that their own managers work has “not paid off yet” and that ONCE it all clicks together we’ll be good. Hardly the usual guff from players saying they and the club is fantastic. But each to their own I suppose. We’ll have to wait and see how the team performs for the rest of this season. But yes, if we continue to be rubbish then Monk should go after the 9 games is over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Owls-Fan said: Personally found it to be quite an honest interview myself, not often I read footballers saying that their own managers work has “not paid off yet” and that ONCE it all clicks together we’ll be good. Hardly the usual guff from players saying they and the club is fantastic. But each to their own I suppose. We’ll have to wait and see how the team performs for the rest of this season. But yes, if we continue to be rubbish then Monk should go after the 9 games is over. It is fairly obvious to anyone who has seen us play since Christmas that his work has not paid off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Owls-Fan said: Quite an interesting interview with Odubajo about Monk today. Obviously might be trying to win favour with his boss to get back into the side but otherwise it’s good to read. As Owls fans we have to cling on to any glimmer of hope right now that the manager is actually good and that it’s other circumstances that have gone against him. We shall see https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-defender-backs-garry-monks-methods-ahead-big-restart-2884103%3famp Odubajo is trying to turn things around for himself at S6, what did you really expect him to say? It's the same when other players have come out and supported Monk; not one of them are going to say trainings poor, no tactics, Monk is aloof doesn't know what he's doing. They have to back the manager when asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcclesallOwl Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 I’m a bit confused as to how people expect a club to rebuild with a certain manager if you keep sacking them We’re sh*t at the moment - that’s the whole point. We aren’t meant to be any good. We need a massive clear out. We’re still wondering why we’re sh*t after watching the same players fail year after year. Sack Monk off but desperate to keep Fletcher? Another failure on a massive wage? Best season he’s ever had with 13 goals? Everything is sh*t right now but a lot can change in one summer. Give the man some time to rebuild. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 On 15/06/2020 at 20:57, EcclesallOwl said: I’m a bit confused as to how people expect a club to rebuild with a certain manager if you keep sacking them We’re sh*t at the moment - that’s the whole point. We aren’t meant to be any good. We need a massive clear out. We’re still wondering why we’re sh*t after watching the same players fail year after year. Sack Monk off but desperate to keep Fletcher? Another failure on a massive wage? Best season he’s ever had with 13 goals? Everything is sh*t right now but a lot can change in one summer. Give the man some time to rebuild. I'm a bit confused as to why you think Monk is the right man to rebuild the team, what is his managerial career suggests he is? Just because we need to rebuild you shouldn't keep someone in for the sake of it. The football style is akin to under Jos, if not worse - we gave him more time after a decent end to the season and wasted another season as a result. The manager should show signs of what he is trying to do and positive points even when things aren't great, what positives can you take from the football we have played in 2020? After a good start he is regressing, as he has done within a similar time period in most of his jobs to date. As for Fletcher being a failure - goals aren't the only barometer of a striker these days and Fletcher offers far more. He has clearly been missed this year and has offered better value for money than a few of his peers over his time with us. Never shirks and his injuries have sometimes been the result of getting stuck in where others shy away. His goals in the run in to the end of the 2016-17 season were vital and had he not been subbed off against Huddersfield we would have stood a far better chance of seeing the result through, he certainly would have stood up and taken a spot kick as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_ Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 On 16/06/2020 at 05:57, EcclesallOwl said: I’m a bit confused as to how people expect a club to rebuild with a certain manager if you keep sacking them We’re sh*t at the moment - that’s the whole point. We aren’t meant to be any good. We need a massive clear out. We’re still wondering why we’re sh*t after watching the same players fail year after year. Sack Monk off but desperate to keep Fletcher? Another failure on a massive wage? Best season he’s ever had with 13 goals? Everything is sh*t right now but a lot can change in one summer. Give the man some time to rebuild. Because he's so good at rebuilding... Should never have been given the job in the first place. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 On 15/06/2020 at 20:57, EcclesallOwl said: I’m a bit confused as to how people expect a club to rebuild with a certain manager if you keep sacking them We’re sh*t at the moment - that’s the whole point. We aren’t meant to be any good. We need a massive clear out. We’re still wondering why we’re sh*t after watching the same players fail year after year. Sack Monk off but desperate to keep Fletcher? Another failure on a massive wage? Best season he’s ever had with 13 goals? Everything is sh*t right now but a lot can change in one summer. Give the man some time to rebuild. You don’t keep a manager solely on the basis of seeking longevity. Monk has proven here and elsewhere that he’s tactically void and can’t manage players. He’s not the man and never has been. But who do we bring in? I have no effin clue, there’s people paid for that 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) He’ll be gone come the end of the season, if not before? Edited June 17, 2020 by Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jim said: He’ll be gone come the end of the season, if not before? Can’t see it. DC clearly hates the burden of changing managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Can’t see it. DC clearly hates the burden of changing managers You may be right. That said I don’t think Monk will hang around much longer particularly if we go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Can’t see it. DC clearly hates the burden of changing managers I think DC sees having to sack them as an admission of failure, that he's got something wrong. Can be the only explanation for why he kept Carlos and Jos on far longer than they should have been. Unfortunately, he's dropped another clanger with Monk. Why on why you'd think this is the guy to rebuild you team is beyond me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post @owlstalk Posted June 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jim said: You may be right. That said I don’t think Monk will hang around much longer particularly if we go down. 41 minutes ago, Jim said: He’ll be gone come the end of the season, if not before? 17 hours ago, Jim said: The sooner Monk is booted out the better. We’re going nowhere but down with him in charge and his stick pins in your eyes style of football. 8 hours ago, Jim said: That's due to Monk being a sh!t manager who doesn't know what he's doing. For instance he'll still persevere with Pelupessy when he's got a talent like Hunt pushing strongly for a chance. On 15/06/2020 at 21:34, Jim said: If we don’t win on Saturday, his head is well and truly on the chopping block as it would’ve been had football had continued as originally scheduled? On 13/06/2020 at 12:49, Jim said: Not with Monk in charge, we won’t. Awful Manager. On 11/06/2020 at 19:02, Jim said: I just can’t see Monk being the manager here for much longer. Once he went full on Jos it’s just turned sour? On 10/06/2020 at 21:42, Jim said: I would be more excited if we had a different manager. On 07/06/2020 at 22:58, Jim said: If Monk picks the starting eleven for the first match back that I expect him to and we lose which we probably will? Then he’s done here, if he isn’t already? On 07/06/2020 at 09:27, Jim said: I’m not ITK or anything but we’ll be looking for a new manager come August as Monk will be off anyway by his own accord. If we go down as a lot are predicting on here, do you honestly think Monk will want to stay? Not a chance. On 06/06/2020 at 17:20, Jim said: I think Monk is just being diplomatic about certain issues at the minute as I think the decision for him to leave come the end of the season has already been made and I think it’s his decision as much as Chansiri’s? On 03/06/2020 at 13:06, Jim said: Monk’s future is as uncertain as the OOC players IMO as does honestly anyone think he’ll keep his job should we get relegated? On 03/06/2020 at 10:50, Jim said: Monk’s seems to have only one way of playing. We won’t go forward under Monk, I think that much is obvious. On 29/05/2020 at 22:57, Jim said: I’m hoping Monk has had time over the last three months to reflect on his sh!t tactics, sh!t team selections and sh!t Man management skills since Christmas. If he still thinks that these three aspects of his management here was more than adequate then expect more sh!t performances and results when the championship resumes. Monk Out! On 24/05/2020 at 13:26, Jim said: Let’s face it, it’s more than likely first game back he’ll select the same eleven that lost to Brentford 5-0 in our last game before the pandemic. There will be a meltdown on here and even behind closed doors there will be chants of Monk Out? On 24/05/2020 at 12:25, Jim said: It's simple. Monk is the on the Jos Lukuhay road to nowhere, well it is to somewhere actually. It's the place most football managers know, it's called 'The Sack' On 24/05/2020 at 12:07, Jim said: I don't think it will be Monk who will lead us into next season but I'm expecting the gaffer to reply within 60 seconds to ask me why I think this and that I'm wrong? On 23/05/2020 at 11:40, Jim said: Garry Monk is up there with the worst managers I’ve ever seen at this club and no matter what anyone else thinks about Carlos, for his Top 6 finishes alone, I could never put him in that bracket. But hey each to their own, enjoy your league one football with Garry Monk On 22/05/2020 at 14:39, Jim said: The bloke has been an utter car crash as a manager here, just like Lukuhay was? Keeping Monk would be nonsense. If you want League 1 football, keep him in charge then. On 22/05/2020 at 14:08, Jim said: I expect Monk to be shown the door as soon as this season is over. However it is concluded? On 18/05/2020 at 10:57, Jim said: Oh well, I’ve got Monk in the Lukuhay bracket which is marked down as useless. Carvahal, Bruce and even Bullen seemed to be able to manage Westwood and Hutch so I can’t agree that we should give T0$$ and SpUnK the benefit of the doubt? We keep hold of Monk and we’ll be facing League 1 this time next year if not before? On 18/05/2020 at 09:23, Jim said: I know you’re going to turn round and say why not stick with Monk? Why, because of the car crash that has happened here, happened elsewhere at other clubs he’s managed. Lowe has got respect for the way he plays the game from some of footballs top personalities, notably Klopp. You think Monk could get someone on Loan from Liverpool. I bet the only manager who stands any chance of this here is Lowe? You talk about FFP, transfer embargoes, points deductions. Didn’t Lowe manage Bury with these type of problems hovering in the background? He still got them promoted to League 1. Also we’re going to have to play the youngsters here soon, are we not? Aren’t Hunt, Waldock and Shaw, lifelong fans of the club? They will have watched Lowe here has a player in a successful side. They’ll want to play for him. But let’s stick with Monk eh.? On 17/05/2020 at 21:01, Jim said: And some can't except that it's Jos Lukuhay all over again and Monk getting the sack is inevitable as it was for Lukuhay. On 17/05/2020 at 20:44, Jim said: I think it's very unlikely that he starts next season as manager whether this season finishes or not? On 17/05/2020 at 12:00, Jim said: I think there is a decent chance by the time we kick a ball in anger, it'll be under a new manager? On 17/05/2020 at 10:40, Jim said: I don't see Monk being much of a draw for any prospective signing. His work in the January window should be a sacking offence in itself. Now call me a cynic Jim, but I'm starting to get a nagging feeling in my bones that you might not rate Garry Monk? 11 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Jesus christ. Are all those posts in this thread?! I mean, I think Monk is useless, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Now call me a cynic Jim, but I'm starting to get a nagging feeling in my bones that you might not rate Garry Monk? Jim must have lumped on Rowett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Now call me a cynic Jim, but I'm starting to get a nagging feeling in my bones that you might not rate Garry Monk? Shalom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Leave poor Jim alone he's found a vocation in life...bless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 I think Jim's efforts even outdo mine when it comes to my hate obsession with Trevor Francis Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think Jim's efforts even outdo mine when it comes to my hate obsession with Trevor Francis I don't know, I hope Jim might have got over his issues with Monk in 25 years time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wednesdaywizard Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Such a bellend comment. He’s always on that belligerent defensive. I don’t like him at all. You just know that if you’ve seen the Blackpool tower, he’s seen the Eiffel Tower (and got kicked out of it for arguing with a Frenchman about how it should have been constructed). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) No fan of Monk, or more importantly, the way he has us playing, but the one ray of hope for me, if he is to be in charge of the rebuild, is the players we have been linked with. Yes it could just be press speculation, but of the dozen or so players I’ve seen us linked with, they would all seem to fit the bill. They are generally younger players with a little bit about them, far from the finished article, but with a good chance making progress here at Wednesday They also fit the new budget reality. The hope is, that Monk may get this rebuild right, and once he has the players he wants, and perhaps the coaching staff, the football might improve. If he can then curb his penchant to self destruct, he may end up winning us doubters over. As a Wednesday fan first and foremost, I certainly don’t want him to fail just to prove my reservations were correct We will need stability during this rebuilding upheaval, if that makes sense, so everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction, including me Edited June 18, 2020 by gurujuan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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