@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Harrysgame said: If you say we had 20k fans you need 2144 to complete the survey to have a representative sample. All about maths and allows for a 5% margin of error. It can get more complicated as need to factor in age, gender etc. In relation to finance questions should be broken down to the relevant earnings bracket. Just looking it up on the internet now.. Surveymonkey seems to think 5% is the most commonly used sample size What is a good sample size for a survey? 5% is the most commonly used margin of error, but you may want anywhere from 1-10% for a margin of error depending on your survey. Increasing your margin of error above 10% is not recommended. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Think this is just typical margin of error Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, daleblue said: Yeh but your thirty quid could well be enough if we didn't buy over crocks or players never to play or.................... it's all subjective, it will how ever show the Club what fans are thinking, and it's then down to the Club to work within the parameters asked for by the fans or give explanations why this is not feasible, for instance ticket prices are in my judgement too high, the Chairman has already stated if you want promotion then this is something we have to do. And to be honest if we were five points clear I would still question the cost of a ticket. So would I, it doesn't need another survey to tell us and the club what we know already. What if I create a survey and you do one and job blog does another, does the club have to constantly keep going over the same questions? The club will be trying to deliver what the fans want but what the fans want and what reality dictates are two completely different things. I can guarantee now that whatever path the club chooses to take the fans are not going to like it. But thats reality for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said: So would I, it doesn't need another survey to tell us and the club what we know already. One letter to the chairman saying "I think the POTG tickets are priced way too high" and he can just send them a pair of free tickets and say it's something the club are looking at Showing the results of a survey showing hundreds/thousands of fans have said so and it's a whole different ball game I'm really surprised you're so against this survey mate. It's a positive step surely? Otherwise you're saying we should only believe what you personally believe fans are thinking about things? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 7 hours ago, paulvcooke said: Self publicists. Jog on. My opinion. This could be Owlstalk in 2006-2010 where someone is posting about Wednesdayite Fans groups still getting the hostile treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I don’t get why a fans group needs to ask questions about the team. We’ve been down this road before and these questions, and many others in here are the thin end of a wedge. It all smells of someone getting carried away with their own vision. If you want to run a football club then find £250m. That investment buys you a voice and an influence. Fans groups should organize tombolas, get involved in the community and do face painting. Leave the rest of it to the big lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: What if I create a survey and you do one and job blog does another, does the club have to constantly keep going over the same questions? Non point - you're overthinking/worrying/hyping that point. That's literally never happened, and isn't happening now, and won't happen. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, vulva said: I don’t get why a fans group needs to ask questions about the team. We’ve been down this road before and these questions, and many others in here are the thin end of a wedge. It all smells of someone getting carried away with their own vision. If you want to run a football club then find £250m. That investment buys you a voice and an influence. Fans groups should organize tombolas, get involved in the community and do face painting. Leave the rest of it to the big lads. Why do other businesses regularly have surveys about their business then? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Why do other businesses regularly have surveys about their business then? It’s not their business. It’s like me standing outside Greggs asking people what they think about the sausage rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, vulva said: It’s not their business. It’s like me standing outside Greggs asking people what they think about the sausage rolls. Here you go mate - https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/YXHBQ5R Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Non point - you're overthinking/worrying/hyping that point. That's literally never happened, and isn't happening now, and won't happen. So why this time? When the club are well aware of the issues? And stop thinking you know what I'm thinking that is a major fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Here you go mate - https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/YXHBQ5R I like the pastry casing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, daleblue said: Yeh but your thirty quid could well be enough if we didn't buy old crocks or players never to play or.................... it's all subjective, it will how ever show the Club what fans are thinking, and it's then down to the Club to work within the parameters asked for by the fans or give explanations why this is not feasible, for instance ticket prices are in my judgement too high, the Chairman has already stated if you want promotion then this is something we have to do. And to be honest if we were five points clear I would still question the cost of a ticket. Agreed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, Inspector Lestrade said: So why this time? When the club are well aware of the issues? When is a good time for businesses to get feedback about their service/value/offering in your view? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: When is a good time for businesses to get feedback about their service/value/offering in your view? By the accounts/order book, soon as the graph plateaus then start asking questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, vulva said: I don’t get why a fans group needs to ask questions about the team. We’ve been down this road before and these questions, and many others in here are the thin end of a wedge. It all smells of someone getting carried away with their own vision. If you want to run a football club then find £250m. That investment buys you a voice and an influence. Fans groups should organize tombolas, get involved in the community and do face painting. Leave the rest of it to the big lads. And Morris Dancers, dont forget them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: By the accounts/order book, soon as the graph plateaus then start asking questions. I think you just ventured into the very territory that you wouldn't want to get into if trying to suggest survey right now isn't necessary Let's talk about the accounts then shall we? Let's talk about the last set of accounts and then ask again if it's the right time for a survey That could be a really interesting discussion I'd be very interested in your views on the last set of accounts Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, daleblue said: And Morris Dancers, dont forget them. I always like a nice bring and buy sale.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mort AMB Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Just looking it up on the internet now.. Surveymonkey seems to think 5% is the most commonly used sample size What is a good sample size for a survey? 5% is the most commonly used margin of error, but you may want anywhere from 1-10% for a margin of error depending on your survey. Increasing your margin of error above 10% is not recommended. Trouble i see there is, the survey is on twitter and could end up with a false percentage or that the survey can be filled in by the same person numerous times also giving a false reading. Chansiri could get the all family at home all day filling in the survey in a positive way FFS or people with an agenda doing the same for a negative percentage. One vote , one survey filled per person. The last survey i filled in at the work place, we all ended up redundant and the business moved to India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I think you just ventured into the very territory that immediately dismisses all you've said previously Let's talk about the accounts shall we? Let's talk about the last set of accounts and then ask again if it's the right time for a survey That could be a really interesting discussion I'd be very interested in your views on the last set of accounts They are crap and worrying we all know that, doesn't take a survey to tell us something we already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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