@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Tamworthowl said: Im sure it can be made to work, but it’ll be very complex, with many irritating limitations that will create as much annoyance as the current ticket arrangements. If there's one thing that would definitely attract back more non season ticket fans more regularly it's to wipe the absolutely ridiculous number of layers/tiers/grades/categories we have for our ticketing and make it just one simple price. That one move alone would make a massive difference to the number of fans who even bother to look at ticket pricing in the first place. I would hazard an educated guess that our ticketing is so complex, so confusing and so ridiculous that the casual average non season ticket holder don't even bother to look at it anymore Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's my thoughts entirely mate. Nothing wrong with this exercise whatsoever. I can't see anyone crackers enough to sit repeatedly filling it in but the system is there if they want to spend their days doing that A lot of people with a lot of spare time on their hands in lock down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: This could be Owlstalk in 2006-2010 where someone is posting about Wednesdayite Fans groups still getting the hostile treatment Just another bunch of people trying to get their name in the paper. They don't speak for me and I'd suggest you don't let them speak for you. Your choice. Filling in there shitty survey gives them a legitimacy they don't deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, paulvcooke said: Just another bunch of people trying to get their name in the paper. They don't speak for me and I'd suggest you don't let them speak for you. Your choice. Filling in there shitty survey gives them a legitimacy they don't deserve. So how would you propose a fans group to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthowl Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 A couple of initial thoughts. The OP mentions soon opening membership to the Supporters Trust. For a survey about pricing, why isn’t their a question along the lines of “how much is reasonable to join the trust?” The survey can be filled in by anyone. Not limited to Wednesday fans. If the Pigs did one, there’d be a link on here and people told to fill yer boots. It limits the validity of the results. Similarly, it can be filled in more than once. I accept that it’s difficult if you don’t have a data base of fans. But there’s a ready made explanation for any conclusions that you (the Trust) don’t like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, Burnsie said: So how would you propose a fans group to work? Who asked them to become a fan's group? I don't want anyone speaking for me. These groups work from an arrogance, the conceit that they know 'what we think' and they can articulate better than I. Not for me, they can jog on. YMMV, I really don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tamworthowl said: A couple of initial thoughts. The OP mentions soon opening membership to the Supporters Trust. For a survey about pricing, why isn’t their a question along the lines of “how much is reasonable to join the trust?” The survey can be filled in by anyone. Not limited to Wednesday fans. If the Pigs did one, there’d be a link on here and people told to fill yer boots. It limits the validity of the results. Similarly, it can be filled in more than once. I accept that it’s difficult if you don’t have a data base of fans. But there’s a ready made explanation for any conclusions that you (the Trust) don’t like. Spot on. They just want to make a noise and get themselves heard. Does it harvest email addresses as well? I'd suggest anyone filling it in signs out of any Google account they have first, or uses a different browser/incognito mode etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, paulvcooke said: Does it harvest email addresses as well? There's no option to enter your email address OR sign in Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: There's no option to enter your email address OR sign in But but but, chemtrails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: There's no option to enter your email address OR sign in What if you are currently signed into a Google account and you just click the link and do the survey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, Burnsie said: But but but, chemtrails I think the survey is broadcast from one of those new 5G masts Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hoppy Hopper Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tamworthowl said: How do you see this working when we have variable match day pricing? I think we should move back to a single price, but that’s unlikely to happen. So if you had, say a 10 match season ticket, won’t many fans just pick the “bigger” games, the more expensive games? And how many of these 10 game season tickets do you sell? What if they all save their last match for the season finale? Some might find there’s no seats left. Im sure it can be made to work, but it’ll be very complex, with many irritating limitations that will create as much annoyance as the current ticket arrangements. I think we would benefit generally from having fewer (ideally 1) layers of match pricing. I haven’t tried to calculate all the other aspects you mention, it would have to be covered in the terms and conditions. Derby County ran a similar scheme for several years, which seemed to work well. I think a guaranteed ticket to their home game against Forest was made part of the deal as a selling point. As we operate well within capacity generally it should be a surmountable problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, paulvcooke said: What if you are currently signed into a Google account and you just click the link and do the survey? There's literally no link/interaction between your google account and this survey from what I can see Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: There's literally no link/interaction between your google account and this survey from what I can see I'd still recommend people either sign out of their Google account or preferably use a different browser in incognito mode. Depends on if you have any concerns about data harvesting. That's up to the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, paulvcooke said: I'd still recommend people either sign out of their Google account or preferably use a different browser in incognito mode. Depends on if you have any concerns about data harvesting. That's up to the individual. So its up to the individual whether to let someone speak for them when they arent claiming they will. To enter an email address which isnt requested Whether they use their google account to avoid data harvesting which wont happen Thanks for your calm and unbiased advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: So its up to the individual whether to let someone speak for them when they arent claiming they will. To enter an email address which isnt requested Whether they use their google account to avoid data harvesting which wont happen Thanks for your calm and unbiased advice A Fan's trust that doesn't speak for the fans? That's an odd concept. A Google Survey can be set to collect the addresses automatically. I couldn't care less about your opinion of 'my advice' on data security. Edited May 28, 2020 by paulvcooke typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddyowl Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) I've filled in the survey and I must say I've been very negative but it gives fans the choice to be positive if thats how they feel. Having said that I'm not a fan of supporters groups. Edited May 28, 2020 by paddyowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: They're not my endeavours mate - they're the supporters trust's I'm not involved with them in any capacity and never will be Ok that's fine. Sentiment is still the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Harrysgame said: So do we compare ourselves to Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster or the Blades all in our region, then factor in our wage costs could probably work out that we should have the 2nd highest or maybe 1st as we don't have PL money. I mentioned also other championship clubs too bud, you've chose to pick te narrative you wanted. On another reply I mention Leeds, being a similar sized ground, in ypirkshire with a similar following in good /bad times in the championship as probably our best pricing baromiter. What do they charge for pog prices?? As the best expamle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, paulvcooke said: Just another bunch of people trying to get their name in the paper. They don't speak for me and I'd suggest you don't let them speak for you. Your choice. Filling in there shitty survey gives them a legitimacy they don't deserve. Nobody reads the papers, I doubt they are looking for some sort of stardom and using this as their vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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