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3 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:


not sure if he was but that would be even worse. He came on briefly at the away leg and that seemed like it was the only time we got the ball in their half on the counter in the second half. 
 

I appreciate it’s all well and good in hindsight as the 0-0 away was branded a defensive masterclass by sky so that we would go and win at home. But after going ahead we just got too negative. Had we nicked it (I remember Forestieri seemingly about to score but blocked) then it would be remembered differently. But the lack of pace in the side was an issue for a while.

The lack of pace...I can’t remember us having any for years. J J ? 

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15 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Personally I’d rather have him instead of Monk but this post does convince me it would be wrong to bring him back... yeah there was definitely no chance he would have turned season 3 around because we were already well adrift after the 8 games without a win. It’s pretty difficult to come from the outside and get in the playoffs, most of the time the teams have been in and around it all season. I can remember that thread which split the season into 15 game chunks and the first 15 games were key. Plus as you say the injuries weren’t coming back in time. He always comes across as giving a sales pitch on himself rather than being frank and honest when things aren’t good. He was a good manager for us though and went at exactly the right time. He deserved a season 3 after two consecutive play offs despite the timid Huddersfield display but it became quickly apparent things were stale 


I think Carlos vs Monk now, id choose Monk as he at least makes us difficult to beat and has worked with what he has been given. Carlos as he freely admits wants a wenger style team of technicians which we don’t have and he couldn’t buy them. 
 

2015 was perfect for us and Carlos as outsiders. But monks Leeds side were decent too and I think they beat us at lest once, maybe twice? It wouldn’t have been as exciting had Monk been our manager then but I think we’d have had a solid spine and probably fewer legacy issues.

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3 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said:

The lack of pace...I can’t remember us having any for years. J J ? 


We had Antonio, JJ and Helan for a while. But we moved toward a possession game which made those players redundant. My issue was more that if we mixed and matched to suit we would have done better. Even that night at hillsborough when we beat brighton. Their 9 men were ridiculously well organised at the back, like the 300 spartans. We did get the second goal in the end, but there were times when they tired and there were big gaps out wide to drive at and either cut it back or maybe win a pen and really kill it. We brought matias on and he never liked to just go on the outside of a defender, it was coached out of them, Jack Hunt too. He used to be well known for his solo runs until CC got hold of him.

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I stopped listening to his twaddle years ago.

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7 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:


Monk as he at least makes us difficult to beat and has worked with what he has been given

 

I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion 

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3 minutes ago, WelshOwl74 said:

 

I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion 

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3rd at Christmas. With the exception of Boro, he’s made every side he’s managed that way. I’m not convinced our issues are purely down to Monk given that these blips happened to Luhukay, Bullen and Carlos before him. Heads just drop.

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2 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:


3rd at Christmas. With the exception of Boro, he’s made every side he’s managed that way.

The season doesn't finish at Christmas tho does it 

Can you honestly say you've seen anything from monk that inspires you to believe he is the man to take us forward? 

Was his January additions a positive sign to come you? 

 

I'm not taking the p1ss

Just interested 

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I'd prefer him over Monk.

 

The issue we have with evaluating Carlos is we have no clue what went on behind the scenes, I'd give Carlos the benefit of the doubt if we discover 100% he didn't approve of many signings and disagreed with the opportunity to sell on reach and ff for top dollar offers.

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2 hours ago, Mountain Owl said:

In my opinion the reason we had so many injuries was because the players were totally unfit. Like him or loathe him Jos was correct on identifying that straight away when he took over. 

And then Jos had loads of injuries

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We don't have many former manager or players who seem to talk or care about us. At least Carlos seems to have a connection with us that isn't based on money.

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52 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:


letting him go was right.

 

But there must have been 200 better managers to bring in ahead of Luhukay. The personality difference alone made it clear he would struggle. He was too quiet. 

Yep, Jos definitely didn't wave his arms around enough

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37 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:


We had Antonio, JJ and Helan for a while. But we moved toward a possession game which made those players redundant. My issue was more that if we mixed and matched to suit we would have done better. Even that night at hillsborough when we beat brighton. Their 9 men were ridiculously well organised at the back, like the 300 spartans. We did get the second goal in the end, but there were times when they tired and there were big gaps out wide to drive at and either cut it back or maybe win a pen and really kill it. We brought matias on and he never liked to just go on the outside of a defender, it was coached out of them, Jack Hunt too. He used to be well known for his solo runs until CC got hold of him.

I'd slightly disagree there, Hunt did have a few of those runs. Remember a few games in 15/16 where he should have scored. Always felt he should have backed himself more to shoot. Remember being 3-0 up against Charlton and he had a chance to shoot after a good run and he passed it. I don't think Carlos will have deliberately coached it out of him.

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In hindsight we should have kept him on when you consider we replaced him with Jos

 

Had we appointed someone like Bruce then I can understand it but Jos was woeful. I honestly think I could have done a better job

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to what I was told by someone in club and someone else that carlos certainly partly at least caused the injury situation ,particularly k lee who carlos wanted back so quickly he sent him to Coventry to get an  injection to get him back training and playing ,didn't that backfire ruined k lee`s career. a number of other players publicly criticised his training regime George boyd though Carlos's training was a joke nowhere near high enough intensity , I know bannan didn't like playing on the left and was told by carlos to mark a hudds player a foot taller than him , what did carlos tell him? hold his knackers that's the best way to mark him? there was so much bonkers stuff it was unreal. sadly his time and chansiris mistakes have set this club back many many years . look at Coventry,portsmouth etc taken them years to get back on an upward curve. 

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8 hours ago, Harrysgame said:

 

Will get shot for this but would have him back now, least it would be entertaining.

Agreed, I forgot how entertaining it was to watch us play slow, boring, predictable possession based football as our back 4 passed the ball amongst themselves over and over and over.

 

That month where we managed about 3 shots on target the whole month was a joy to watch.lol

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7 hours ago, struckanerve said:

We don't have many former manager or players who seem to talk or care about us. At least Carlos seems to have a connection with us that isn't based on money.

 

25 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said:

Agreed, I forgot how entertaining it was to watch us play slow, boring, predictable possession based football as our back 4 passed the ball amongst themselves over and over and over.

 

That month where we managed about 3 shots on target the whole month was a joy to watch.lol

Agreed

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Talk about re-writing history!

 

The slippery toad had already lined up the Swansea job and had every intention of jumping ship.

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I like Carlos, if only..... 

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He took Fletcher off when he was bossing it v Huddersfield

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