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6 hours ago, Howards back said:

I also think the lockdown will be good for the blunts. They have a large number of players who play most games this will have given these players a rest. 

 

Yes but other teams around them in league have had time to bring back injured players, like Tottenham with Kane and Man Utd with Rashford. 

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16 hours ago, Mystic Neg said:

 

I think you and I discussed this on another thread without closure. 

 

To set my position straight when this first broke out in Feb/Mar I said that a global football approach was needed if the worst happened and there would be nothing wrong as such with a break worldwide. In fact that was my preference. 

 

Since then, almost certainly for differing financial reasons, many leagues and countries have acted independently with little to no collective steer from the games governing bodies.

 

I remember you asking why we need to remain aligned with Europe. For starters UEFA have asked all domestic leagues to confirm plans for this season by 25th May so that is one source of pressure.

 

You could argue that's its only the top leagues that needs to be aligned with Europe because that's where most teams come from for European Club competitions and where most international players come from for international tournaments. Our lower leagues therefore need to fit in with that because all our scheduling works around those things and each season relegation and promotions in all leagues affect the premier league and lower leagues below it.

 

Its a right mess don't get me wrong

 

I understand that there are many ifs buts and maybes as to how the leagues might have finished but we can't do that. So what's the next best thing? Reward teams that have done well, not those who haven't. PPG is as close as we can get to doing that without playing games.

 

If you're Charlton do you think the whole world's against us or this could happen to anyone? It would hurt but it could have been anyone. They are there for a reason, because to date, they've been the 3rd worst performing team in the league. I'm much more comfortable relegating teams in this way than denying teams their glory. 

 

Personally, I'd have liked to see promotions only across the leagues too so teams at the top and bottom win. But it's clear the league are putting a solution together that they can reuse in future years if needed and won't mean they have to be overly creative with things like 6 teams relegated from each league in following seasons. They want this to be the only irregular season. Rightly or wrongly.

 

Finally, ending the season might mean that bit of extra funding in prize money for clubs that are desperate for it, particularly in the lower leagues. It will prevent the need for clubs to extend contracts just to keep the season going and prevent costs of hosting matches behind closed doors, all making clubs more likely to be able to survive in hibernation until a point a season is started under the new normal. 

 

 

 

I can understand the lower leagues agreeing to leave it where it stands - in League Two many of the promotion relegation places will likely undergo little change. A couple of clubs might deem themselves in with a chance of breaking into the play-offs but it would likely cost them more to have to play the remaining matches behind closed doors and take players out of furlough than they would gain from promotion to League One.

 

In the Championship and League One the position is less clear. I understand the concept of keeping in line with other European Leagues for European Club and national team competitions but the reality is a Europe wide domestic European club calendar is likely to be unfeasible next season and international matches are unlikely to come back until much before the proposed new schedule for Euro 2021.

 

Finishing the remaining matches when it is safe to do would put a proper end to this season and the authorities would then be in a better position to understand the situation for any new season. The virus is likely to have an impact again in the winter and trying to start a full 2020-21 season again around September time could well result in next season ending up in a similar situation to what we have now. 

 

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10 hours ago, Plonk said:

What about expired contracts / transfer window?

 

Not read the full thread so apologies if mentioned BUT

 

How are Wednesday and Derby supposed to vote when we don’t know if we will have points deducted? Or will ending the season mean any points deduction would be next season?

 

This is the main problem with @Grandad idea for me. However, under the current plans they are unlikely to play a game before mid-June at the earliest so can't finish all the games by 1st July when contracts expire so will need to address this issue within their current approach anyway.

 

What should have been agreed weeks ago (as some teams managed to do) was to defer payments while players are doing nothing and then start paying again when they are safely able to finish the job they are paid to do.

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2 hours ago, Hookowl said:

I can't really agree with that.

My Mrs had her hospital appointment cancelled due to this pandemic.

Yesterday she received a letter from the NHS re-scheduling her appointment for next Tuesday, so it looks like things are up and running again.

lets hope so ,good luck. 

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3 hours ago, rickygoo said:

 

What is the EFL Board meant to do - impose a decision that the majority of clubs don't want? 

 

IMHO yes

 

The efl board have just washed their hands of it, they have passed the responsibility and problems/troubles to the clubs to sort.

 

Impose what the season regulations were, it should not matter what the clubs want, they know what they were before they started, if there is no decisions from the efl what the hell are they doing, apart from raking in the money.

 

There has been this scenario before (not a virus, but still curtailment of the season), so at the minimum that scenario should have been written into the rules before a ball was kicked, then everybody from fans, owners, players know what will happen, i chose them in that order for a purpose.

 

Because they haven't, we have got an absolute clusterfuck of mismanagement, and decisions been given out for teams to argue about...

 

Thus devoiding the themselves of doing anything wrong.

 

They are there to lead this league, they are there to make decisions, this proves (to me anyway) that they are not prepared to. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, MAL said:

 

As i see it, from what they have stated in the announcement.

 

They don't give 2fucks about whether the season is completed or not.

 

They have now put the onus on the clubs, with a huge get out clause for themselves.

 

efl - Clubs we want to finish the season, but it is up to you, you can vote what to do, but if it doesn't finish then that is the end.

 

Clubs - Whichever way they vote, it is like turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

Clubs - Vote to continue, then the relegated clubs and those that miss out on the playoffs cannot claim anything, they voted for it.

 

Clubs - Vote to continue, then the season gets scrapped, then the relegated clubs and those that miss out on the playoffs cannot claim anything, they voted for it.

 

Whichever way it goes, the efl have absolved themselves of any responsibility whatsoever (there's a shock), with just one answer it will all be over...

 

The answer will be...

 

 

 

Well you voted for it.

 

 All the clubs in trouble or miss out, they have done up like a kipper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mate the EFL are the clubs, so of course they're going to put it all on the clubs as that's their purpose, to do what's right for the majority of clubs. They aren't an independent governing body, its just 72 clubs with an equal share in the decision making process

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3 hours ago, rickygoo said:

 

What is the EFL Board meant to do - impose a decision that the majority of clubs don't want? 

 

The EFL should grow a pair and just abandon the season and wipe it from the records and everyone starts again in August in the divisions they were in at the start of this season. Just void this season. 

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36 minutes ago, MAL said:

 

IMHO yes

 

The efl board have just washed their hands of it, they have passed the responsibility and problems/troubles to the clubs to sort.

 

Impose what the season regulations were, it should not matter what the clubs want, they know what they were before they started, if there is no decisions from the efl what the hell are they doing, apart from raking in the money.

 

There has been this scenario before (not a virus, but still curtailment of the season), so at the minimum that scenario should have been written into the rules before a ball was kicked, then everybody from fans, owners, players know what will happen, i chose them in that order for a purpose.

 

Because they haven't, we have got an absolute clusterfuck of mismanagement, and decisions been given out for teams to argue about...

 

Thus devoiding the themselves of doing anything wrong.

 

They are there to lead this league, they are there to make decisions, this proves (to me anyway) that they are not prepared to. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 1914-15 they finished the season. In 1939-40 they didn’t - but they’d only played 3 games. 

 

The EFL is essentially the clubs. There’s no way they can impose an unpopular decision. 

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21 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

 

The EFL should grow a pair and just abandon the season and wipe it from the records and everyone starts again in August in the divisions they were in at the start of this season. Just void this season. 

If the clubs don’t want that then that simply isn’t going to work. 

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20 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Mate the EFL are the clubs, so of course they're going to put it all on the clubs as that's their purpose, to do what's right for the majority of clubs. They aren't an independent governing body, its just 72 clubs with an equal share in the decision making process

 

Yeah, i know that they vote some of the rules in, but there is still some one/person/persons/group or whatever, that write these out in the first place.

 

The clubs do not bring them to the table.

 

 

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10 hours ago, BIG D said:

 I agree, they wouldn’t relegate us this season, we’ll be starting with a points deduction next year. 

Think there would be a legal challenge if any points deduction is applied this season as the season should now be over, and the decision hasn't been made in time

 

Sure there isn't a rule that says in circumstances such as these a points deduction can be applied after the supposed end of the season, so if there is a points deduction I think it will be applied next season, unless we agree to it applied this season because it wont relegate us

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11 hours ago, MAL said:

 

Yeah, i know that they vote some of the rules in, but there is still some one/person/persons/group or whatever, that write these out in the first place.

 

The clubs do not bring them to the table.

 

 

Surely it is not that difficult to understand?

 

The EFL board and employees administer the competition on behalf of the clubs.

 

Do you think that Government ministers write out new laws themselves or get civil servants and lawyers to do it for them? 

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The EFL board are the ones that have decided that the two options are either play on and complete the season, or finish now and finalise league positions by PPG. 

These options are to be voted on by each division seperately.

 

This is who makes up of the board (edited) from the EFL website. Two thirds of the board is made up of club directors.

 

The EFL Board of Directors is responsible for providing the organisation's strategic direction. 

The board consists of nine directors, six of whom are divisional representatives elected by member clubs. The divisional representatives include three directors from Championship clubs, two from League One clubs and one from a League Two club. The remaining three directors are independent of clubs and include the interim chair, the chief executive and an independent non-executive director.

 

Rick Parry 

Chairman

One of the UK’s most experienced leaders in football, Rick Parry - Chairman of the EFL Board - served as both chief executive of the Premier League between 1991 and 1997, and Liverpool Football Club between 1997 and 2009.

 

Debbie Jevans CBE

Senior Independent Non-Executive Director

Debbie Jevans joined the Board of the EFL in 2014, with her addition bringing an independent voice to its decision-making process.

A former professional tennis player, Jevans is on the Board of Sport England and was voted the most influential woman in British Sport in early 2014 by the Guardian.

 

Simon Bazalgette

Independent Non-Executive Director

Considered to be one of the most influential figures in UK sport, Bazalgette has been head of The Jockey Club, the largest commercial group in British horse racing, for more than a decade. 

He remains a non-executive director of RMG, as well as the Racecourse Association; Great British Racing the sport’s marketing arm; and Britbet, which manages the pool betting service at 55 British racecourses. 

Bazalgette, who is a lifelong Brentford supporter, has considerable experience of working in multi-stakeholder environments, where the ability to build and maintain mutually-beneficial relationships is essential to long-term sustainability and prosperity, such as between the League and its Members. 

 

Club representatives

 

Mark Ashton - Championship Director – Bristol City

 

Stephen Pearce - Championship Director – Derby County

 

Nigel Howe - Championship Director – Reading

 

Jez Moxey - League One Director – Burton Albion

 

Steven Curwood - League One Director - Fleetwood Town

 

John Nixon - League Two Director – Carlisle United

 

 
 

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15 hours ago, rickygoo said:

If the clubs don’t want that then that simply isn’t going to work. 

 

The EFL are in charge of the competition, they could quite easily do it. They are the governing body. 

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1 hour ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

The EFL board are the ones that have decided that the two options are either play on and complete the season, or finish now and finalise league positions by PPG. 

 

Which as I understand it is because most clubs didn't want to simply void the season. 

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Just now, rickygoo said:

Which as I understand it is because most clubs didn't want to simply void the season. 

Most people dont want to lose their job and suffer loss of loved ones. Tough they will have to get used to it , football is irrelevant at the moment.

 

Time to move onto and end the farce.

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7 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

 

The EFL are in charge of the competition, they could quite easily do it. They are the governing body. 

The EFL is the clubs. The Board provides "strategic direction". The FA is the governing body.

 

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4 minutes ago, Asio otus said:

Most people dont want to lose their job and suffer loss of loved ones. Tough they will have to get used to it , football is irrelevant at the moment.

 

Time to move onto and end the farce.

Football is irrelevant so what does it matter to you whether they use PPG to decide positions or try and play on? Let them get on with it. 

 

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9 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

Which as I understand it is because most clubs didn't want to simply void the season. 

 

Looks that way, voiding would mean no promotion or relegation.

 

You would think the 3 champ directors and 2 league 1 directors on the board sounded out the other clubs in their divisions to reach a consensus that voiding wasn't an option.

 

Though there's still the issue of the EPL. They will have to come up with similar options for when they vote. If they decide to go with no relegation then that could scupper promotion from the championship. 

I can't see the EPL going with 23 teams next season.

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5 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

 

Looks that way, voiding would mean no promotion or relegation.

 

You would think the 3 champ directors and 2 league 1 directors on the board sounded out the other clubs in their divisions to reach a consensus that voiding wasn't an option.

 

Though there's still the issue of the EPL. They will have to come up with similar options for when they vote. If they decide to go with no relegation then that could scupper promotion from the championship. 

I can't see the EPL going with 23 teams next season.

i was reading that the FA were insisting on relegation. 

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