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1 minute ago, Grandad said:

If you and me can agree - it's GOT to be a good idea mate

 

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Genius! 

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20 minutes ago, Grandad said:

Often rumoured is that October will be the time fans are allowed back in stadiums

 

Place this season on hold until fans are allowed in

 

Complete the 9 games before Christmas, including the full FA Cup programme

 

Start the next season in March 2021, meaning no games over the toughest winter months

 

Play on through the summer, conclude the season in November 2021... 

 

Then do the same the following season, meaning the football season will finish just in time for Qatar World Cup, our players will all be match fit too.

 

After the World Cup start again in March, and let football become a sport played March to November permanently

 

We don't have to freeze our nuts off any more then

 

 

Go on. Admit it. It's a genius idea

 

What about Champions League etc

 

...... I'm thinking ahead here for when we qualify.

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5 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said:

 

What about Champions League etc

 

...... I'm thinking ahead here for when we qualify.

Only 1 Champs League fixture in early December then nothing till end Feb

 

So players still get 10 weeks off

 

IT WORKS. IT'S GENIUS

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2 minutes ago, Grandad said:

Only 1 Champs League fixture in early December then nothing till end Feb

 

So players still get 10 weeks off

 

IT WORKS. IT'S GENIUS

 

Get your application in for UEFA.

 

........ tell them you don't have stick fingers, and you're in.

 

Refuse any reference offers from Blatter or Platini. 

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1 hour ago, S36 OWL said:

Just void the season, and wipe it from the records and start a fresh in August with all teams in the same division in which  they started this season. Its not rocket science. It would stop all threats of court cases because no team would lose out. 

Tell Leeds and Coventry that. 

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Just now, rickygoo said:

Tell Leeds and Coventry that. 

 

....or the grunters.

 

Look at what you could have won Chris.

 

 

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1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

You are right, from what I have seen and heard there is no appetite within the game to void the season.

 

As has been said previously though, PPG now without any weighting is also unfair. As fans we are all aware of how automatic promotion, play off places and relegation places can change in the last few games, never mind the 9,10,11 games that are remaining for teams in the EFL. Charlton have spent very little time in the bottom 3 and are due to play free falling Hull next.

 

What is the rush to bring the season to an end when next season wont start on time or have fans in the ground and could well be curtailed by a predicted 2nd wave of the virus in the winter?

 

I think you and I discussed this on another thread without closure. 

 

To set my position straight when this first broke out in Feb/Mar I said that a global football approach was needed if the worst happened and there would be nothing wrong as such with a break worldwide. In fact that was my preference. 

 

Since then, almost certainly for differing financial reasons, many leagues and countries have acted independently with little to no collective steer from the games governing bodies.

 

I remember you asking why we need to remain aligned with Europe. For starters UEFA have asked all domestic leagues to confirm plans for this season by 25th May so that is one source of pressure.

 

You could argue that's its only the top leagues that needs to be aligned with Europe because that's where most teams come from for European Club competitions and where most international players come from for international tournaments. Our lower leagues therefore need to fit in with that because all our scheduling works around those things and each season relegation and promotions in all leagues affect the premier league and lower leagues below it.

 

Its a right mess don't get me wrong

 

I understand that there are many ifs buts and maybes as to how the leagues might have finished but we can't do that. So what's the next best thing? Reward teams that have done well, not those who haven't. PPG is as close as we can get to doing that without playing games.

 

If you're Charlton do you think the whole world's against us or this could happen to anyone? It would hurt but it could have been anyone. They are there for a reason, because to date, they've been the 3rd worst performing team in the league. I'm much more comfortable relegating teams in this way than denying teams their glory. 

 

Personally, I'd have liked to see promotions only across the leagues too so teams at the top and bottom win. But it's clear the league are putting a solution together that they can reuse in future years if needed and won't mean they have to be overly creative with things like 6 teams relegated from each league in following seasons. They want this to be the only irregular season. Rightly or wrongly.

 

Finally, ending the season might mean that bit of extra funding in prize money for clubs that are desperate for it, particularly in the lower leagues. It will prevent the need for clubs to extend contracts just to keep the season going and prevent costs of hosting matches behind closed doors, all making clubs more likely to be able to survive in hibernation until a point a season is started under the new normal. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Grandad said:

Often rumoured is that October will be the time fans are allowed back in stadiums

 

Place this season on hold until fans are allowed in

 

Complete the 9 games before Christmas, including the full FA Cup programme

 

Start the next season in March 2021, meaning no games over the toughest winter months

 

Play on through the summer, conclude the season in November 2021... 

 

Then do the same the following season, meaning the football season will finish just in time for Qatar World Cup, our players will all be match fit too.

 

After the World Cup start again in March, and let football become a sport played March to November permanently

 

We don't have to freeze our nuts off any more then

 

 

Go on. Admit it. It's a genius idea

What about the Euros next Summer?

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6 hours ago, BIG D said:

What about the Euros next Summer?

What about expired contracts / transfer window?

 

Not read the full thread so apologies if mentioned BUT

 

How are Wednesday and Derby supposed to vote when we don’t know if we will have points deducted? Or will ending the season mean any points deduction would be next season?

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17 hours ago, mattitheowl said:

 

 

So you'd have to think votes would look something like:

 

Leeds - End it

WBA - End it

Fulham - Play on

Brentford - End it

Forest - End it

Preston - End it

Bristol City - Play on

Millwall - Play on

Cardiff - Play on

Blackburn - Play on

Swansea - Play on

Derby - Play on

QPR - Play on

Reading - End it

Wednesday - End it

Birmingham - End it

Stoke - End it

Hudds - End it

Boro - End it

Wigan - End it

Hull - End it

Charlton - Play on

Luton - Play on

Barnsley - Play on

 

So by that count I have Play on = 11, End it = 13.

 

It's on a knife edge!

Leeds CEO hinting that they will vote to play on.

 

"If Leeds United wanted to be opportunist we could have seized on this ‘point per game’ commitment to push for an early curtailment in concert with some already very vocal self-interests.

However, our intention has always been to do all we can to complete this season where we started it – on the pitch."

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7 hours ago, BIG D said:

What about the Euros next Summer?

Play them in the winter

 

Or, have a summer break of 1 month every year halfway thru the season

 

It's genius isn't it

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12 hours ago, Suzuki_San said:

 

It means the below.  The top and bottom 3 remain the same if it's calculated weighted or unweighted...so at least nobody can argue about that.

 

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So, with a 12 points reduction, we’d be relegated falling 0.23 points short of survival? Sounds about right.

 

Nightmare scenario. We’d argue the T055 for months as to which dropped clanger on the pitch sent us down. lol

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1 hour ago, Mcguigan said:

Leeds CEO hinting that they will vote to play on.

 

"If Leeds United wanted to be opportunist we could have seized on this ‘point per game’ commitment to push for an early curtailment in concert with some already very vocal self-interests.

However, our intention has always been to do all we can to complete this season where we started it – on the pitch."


I think we will vote the same way too

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40 minutes ago, theowlsman said:

 

So, with a 12 points reduction, we’d be relegated falling 0.23 points short of survival? Sounds about right.

 

Nightmare scenario. We’d argue the T055 for months as to which dropped clanger on the pitch sent us down. lol

I think that argument would be irrelevant as any pitch based clanger would be insignificant compared to Chansiri's decision to completely ignore / circumvent FFP rule.

 

Any relegation would be totally the responsibility of the chairman. 

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1 hour ago, Mcguigan said:

Leeds CEO hinting that they will vote to play on.

 

"If Leeds United wanted to be opportunist we could have seized on this ‘point per game’ commitment to push for an early curtailment in concert with some already very vocal self-interests.

However, our intention has always been to do all we can to complete this season where we started it – on the pitch."

If that is correct then Leeds are taking a huge gamble thinking about how they folded last season..... nobody has a clue how there team will perform after a 2 month lay off

 

Fair play to them.....I wonder if the results of the vote will be published for all to see how their club voted?

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1 minute ago, nbupperthongowl said:

If that is correct then Leeds are taking a huge gamble thinking about how they folded last season..... nobody has a clue how there team will perform after a 2 month lay off

 

Fair play to them.....I wonder if the results of the vote will be published for all to see how their club voted?

Bielsa's probably had them running half marathons every day.

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9 hours ago, Grandad said:

Only 1 Champs League fixture in early December then nothing till end Feb

 

So players still get 10 weeks off

 

IT WORKS. IT'S GENIUS


It is genius.
I said the same a year or so ago when people were complaining about watching us get beat in the freezing cold and dark nights.
Be brilliant going to the beer gardens first, then watching us play in the warm sunshine and leaving the ground when it's still light.
Only, in my version the leagues all conclude on Christmas Eve. Would be brilliant celebrations for the winners and an excuse to drown your sorrows for the losers.
World cups, Euros etc get played in the depths of the new winter break.
Means most players avoid the cold months where there's more chance of injury and can bugger off somehwere hot abroad and recuperate for their hols.
It is indeed geniuis. I'm in.

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Weirdly, if we are to get a points deduction, I'd take it this year and get relegated. 
Next season is going to be a shambles and hardly one for the fans. It won't make a blind difference what league we are in, stadiums will be half empty if that.

If we start next season with a points deduction, and possibly a new team, could be really difficult and push us back years.
I'd fancy us to quickly return from league one next year if we had Monk and a few of the squad we currently have.

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If the vote goes ahead before any punishments are handed out, then I think its safe to assume any points penalties against ourselves or Derby will be active from next season.

 

Charlton could vote to play on, as things stand but if they'd had assurances a 15 point deduction was heading our way, I'm sure they'd vote end now.

 

Similar with Luton, if ourselves and Derby both got 15 points, both them and Charlton would be voting end now rather than play on. So many variables in this, not sure how it resolves itself.

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Any plan is going to be ruined by a second wave, therefore better to end season now. Plan for next season including plans for playing in empty stadiums if ultimately necessary. To start again now then stop before completion would make it an even bigger fiasco. 

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