Dutch McLovin Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: The alternative could be way way worse.. What situation would Sheffield Wednesday be in right now if Chansiri HAD been allowed to spaff even more on players and big contracts and then give them to the likes of Jos Luhukay to look after? The same position were in now, just with a much longer goal to get out of it that we currently are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, FroggattOwls said: Our mismanagement is entirely down to the FFP regulations and strategies to deal with them. Our mismanagement is entirely down to arrogance and a refusal to work within the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, FroggattOwls said: Our mismanagement is entirely down to the FFP regulations Oh dear... Oh dear oh dear. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Dutch McLovin said: The same position were in now, just with a much longer goal to get out of it that we currently are Exactly Or worse Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroggattOwls Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: You're simply falling for the same gambling temptation that Chansiri appears to have struggled with in his first few seasons with us. That kind of thinking is ridiculous If it was just the sheer amount of cash you spend then you could guarantee success. But it doesn't work like that in reality Man City and Fulham bought their way out of this god awful division back to the top flight. No guarantees but football authorities really shouldn’t be stopping owners spending money. That’s just my opinion. FFP is a farce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, FroggattOwls said: No guarantees but football authorities really shouldn’t be stopping owners spending money. So there's no guarantees that spending like absolute crazy will be successful But you want to allow these chairmen to spaff millions and millions to gamble on it? What happens to those clubs who don't get promoted? AND Answer me this - is a football chairman more or less likely to get bored and leg it from a club if they have lost millions and millions more but not getting promoted whilst running it? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, FroggattOwls said: Man City and Fulham bought their way out of this god awful division back to the top flight. No guarantees but football authorities really shouldn’t be stopping owners spending money. That’s just my opinion. What if that money is loan after loan after loan? Sheffield Wednesday were on the verge of going out of existence before Milan Mandaric rescued us just a few short years ago Out of existence. Like Bury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroggattOwls Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Grandad said: Our mismanagement is entirely down to arrogance and a refusal to work within the rules. Those rules are stupid and unfair in my opinion. In motorsports bending and challenging rules is the norm. People seem to have a moral compass that it’s somehow wrong in football. Why shouldn’t we push the rules ? If the rules stated we could sell assets to raise cash. We did that, I don’t get this moral argument we somehow did wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Grandad said: What if that money is loan after loan after loan? Sheffield Wednesday were on the verge of going out of existence before Milan Mandaric rescued us just a few short years ago Out of existence. Like Bury. Yeah but the FFP thing is a farce. Let these meglomaniac chairmen just spend spend spend innit yo fam Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, FroggattOwls said: Those rules are stupid and unfair in my opinion. In motorsports bending and challenging rules is the norm. People seem to have a moral compass that it’s somehow wrong in football. Why shouldn’t we push the rules ? Push the rules or BREAK the rules? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Exactly Or worse Thing is people seem to think we'll just get rid of all the players and start again..... it doesn't work like that. Still and only still the only way we can get out of this is to get promoted. And the way the club are currently going about things this is further off that before Chansiri bought us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, FroggattOwls said: Those rules are stupid and unfair in my opinion. In motorsports bending and challenging rules is the norm. People seem to have a moral compass that it’s somehow wrong in football. Why shouldn’t we push the rules ? If the rules stated we could sell assets to raise cash. We did that, I don’t get this moral argument we somehow did wrong ? I think 70 miles an hour on the motorway is ridiculous - especially given modern cars and modern braking systems. If i get flashed by a speed camera at 120mph - should I be ok if I just argue that the rules are stupid? Or would it be entirely my own fault for ignoring the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroggattOwls Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Grandad said: What if that money is loan after loan after loan? Sheffield Wednesday were on the verge of going out of existence before Milan Mandaric rescued us just a few short years ago Out of existence. Like Bury. Because FFP has made such a difference hasn’t it ? The clubs having serious issues over the last decade hasn’t changed. FFP has just made things harder for owners to change, clubs to restructure and move forward. Administration without peanlity would have saved both clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, FroggattOwls said: It’s a misleading quote really the person doesn’t actually say Chansiri doesn’t have cash. Also we’re in economic Armageddon. The EFL are faffing around financial fair play. There might not be two full divisions soon... never mind four. The entire premise is just stupid to be honest, the principals are arguable, however the football leagues shouldn’t be in the business of stopping wealthy owners injecting cash into clubs. Especially at this time. If someone wealthy wants to buy Wigan and spend £100 million living their dream so what. Couldn’t happen now. Administration with no sporting penalty needs to be re established in these uncertain times to give clubs needed flexability moving forward. FFP was designed to cripple Man City. It seems madness it’s now preventing owners keeping clubs alive in non top flight football. Football needs to revert to how normal business operate. The football creditors rule should be abolished as well. There is numerous risks in doing business on a small scale. Football needs to be radical in the current environment to survive and move forward. FFP for Man City is a different set of rules entirely set by FIFA Our P&S rules are EFL championship specific agreed by clubs before the likes of Chansiri and Morris came in so I can see why they want to challenge it. Agree it’s ludicrous to punish teams with admin style punishments, so that they don’t go into admin...when all clubs make a loss and would be in admin without a wealthy owner. It needs drastic change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, FroggattOwls said: Those rules are stupid and unfair in my opinion. In motorsports bending and challenging rules is the norm. People seem to have a moral compass that it’s somehow wrong in football. Why shouldn’t we push the rules ? If the rules stated we could sell assets to raise cash. We did that, I don’t get this moral argument we somehow did wrong ? It's nota moral argument and we were allowed to sell. It's the timing of it that's the issue. If I recall rightly you would like clubs to be able to spend, spend, spend, fail, fail, fail and then throw off their debts via insolvency proceedings and resume without any points penalty whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroggattOwls Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Push the rules or BREAK the rules? That’s for the authorities to decide. Motorsports pushing the rules is part of it. If the rules are that crap and people can see ways of using them to their own advantage I can’t see a issue ? The EFL couldn’t draw up decent rules at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, FroggattOwls said: Because FFP has made such a difference hasn’t it ? YES YES IT HAS Look at the facts mate instead of yearning for some romantic notion that things would be fab without regulation of spending Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 minute ago, FroggattOwls said: That’s for the authorities to decide. The EFL HAVE decided They put in place a set of rules They've decided mate Are you happy to go along with this now then? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, FroggattOwls said: Because FFP has made such a difference hasn’t it ? In the 20 years to 2013 - there were 69 football adminitrations Since then - there has been 2. Bury and Bolton So yes - it really has made a huge difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Not read all the thread so apologies if already mentioned but heard on the radio last night that Hearts are looking to take legal action against the SPL because the ended the season prematurely. Hearts will be relegated being 4 points adrift of safety they had games in hand. Their argument is that they should've been allowed to play those games and be given the opportunity to avoid relegation. Also Gibson according Tesside Live is asking for legal action to be taken against a number of clubs us included for refusing to agree to play out the season. Strange then that we are resuming training on Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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