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9 hours ago, REDAs_biG_piECE said:

Social distancing is one of the biggest scams pulled on the people ever

 

virus are not living things and cannot be spread by touch or picked up off surfaces

 

its a psyop to control us, make us live in fear and install Orwellian rules and laws around us 

 

start educating yourself 

I bet you are one of those 5g conspiracy theorists,  towers are making people sick  Fml hahaha .

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Matthew Syed’s view - essentially making the point that ultimately we

must live alongside this thing and assess the risks accordingly. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Rogers said:

Live or dead or nearly dead, a virus can last on surfaces for hours.  This is the real fact that seems to have been overlooked

Best way to describe a virus is it's dormant.

Like a wolf in sheeps clothing. 

It becomes active when it attempts to enter a cell..

Once the cell let's it in that's it, comes to life

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11 hours ago, the third man said:

 

A lot of the tests give false results, and testing every two days is no good as you could catch it from the person giving you the test

 

TBF I've not heard of a case with the swab test, where someone else actually gives a person the test.

All the people that I have heard of that have been tested by this method have had the test kit passed safely to them and they do the test themselves.

Daughter in law who is an ICU nurse confirmed this to me after being tested herself.

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11 hours ago, REDAs_biG_piECE said:

Social distancing is one of the biggest scams pulled on the people ever

 

virus are not living things and cannot be spread by touch or picked up off surfaces

 

its a psyop to control us, make us live in fear and install Orwellian rules and laws around us 

 

start educating yourself 

With the very greatest respect......you are an idiot if you believe that crap.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Plonk said:

Or perhaps he has an open mind, and doesn’t believe everything he is told by corrupt leaders and a corrupt press....but back to football

As someone who isnt a corrupt press or leader and who caught the virus with another 20 people at a  small gig in March, one of whom died and one who is still on a ventilator: I can tell you that it's good to have an open mind but it's also worth having a filter on it so you avoid being an idiot with an open mind.

Add an er to the end of your name.

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1 hour ago, sweetsheri said:

Best way to describe a virus is it's dormant.

Like a wolf in sheeps clothing. 

It becomes active when it attempts to enter a cell..

Once the cell let's it in that's it, comes to life

How can it enter a cell if it's not active. It would just be there and do nothing. It's a complicated issue and not really worth going into unless this is a science board.

 

The best way of looking at it is that it just is, it doesn't think, it doesn't have a plan but it is very contagious and can kill people.

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11 hours ago, REDAs_biG_piECE said:

Social distancing is one of the biggest scams pulled on the people ever

 

virus are not living things and cannot be spread by touch or picked up off surfaces

 

its a psyop to control us, make us live in fear and install Orwellian rules and laws around us 

 

start educating yourself 

 

Are you social distancing or ignoring it, therefore putting peoples lifes (including yourself) at risk?

 

And the irony of you talking about people educating themselves is astounding.

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7 minutes ago, Belfast Owl 2 said:

virus are not living things and cannot be spread by touch or picked up off surfaces

 

They are not living things and that is exactly why the way they spread is by touch or from surfaces or more likely droplets in the air.

 

Educate yourself FFS

 

@Belfast Owl 2 Oops! Sorry, I quoted your quote so it looks like I am responding to you.

 

FAO @REDAs_biG_piECE

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25 minutes ago, prowl said:

How can it enter a cell if it's not active. It would just be there and do nothing. It's a complicated issue and not really worth going into unless this is a science board.

 

The best way of looking at it is that it just is, it doesn't think, it doesn't have a plan but it is very contagious and can kill people.

It is active. It becomes virulent once it enters a cell.

And they are extremely resourceful in the methods they use to disguise there purpose.

 

Hence why they are difficult to identify and control. 

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4 hours ago, SouthStand75 said:


Why void the season? Why not resume the season when it is safe to do so?


Because we are crap and these players will relegate us? 

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1 hour ago, sweetsheri said:

And they are extremely resourceful in the methods they use to disguise there purpose

Thy aren't resourceful - that implies an active mind which they don't have. Some viruses just evolve in such a way that immune systems don't necessarily recognise them for what they are - especially initially. 

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Just now, rickygoo said:

Thy aren't resourceful - that implies an active mind which they don't have. Some viruses just evolve in such a way that immune systems don't necessarily recognise them for what they are - especially initially. 

Of course they are resourceful. They develop complex mechanisms to trick the cell that they are a welcome visitor..

Then they create carnage. Hence the wolf in sheep clothing..

 

Speak to any scientist about how resourceful a virus can be. Doesn't imply an active mind, that's silly. It's the behavioural mechanism

 

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4 hours ago, rickygoo said:

Matthew Syed’s view - essentially making the point that ultimately we

must live alongside this thing and assess the risks accordingly. 

 

 

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Although he makes some logical points, and this is clearly an enormously complex set of issues, he comes across as rather callous overall. The whole thing could have been distilled into "stop whining and get on with it".

 

But again, the emphasis seems to concentrate only on the likelihood of death for healthy young men. There is little consideration for those they come into contact with (directly or indirectly), no reference to the research indicating that intense physical exertion makes the effects of the virus worse, not a mention for the studies about long-term organ damage for those who recover, an apparent disregard for underlying conditions that some of the players might have, no taking into account the questionable reliability of testing, no musing of what happens if (or more likely, when) people test positive...

 

I'm struggling to see how we can square the circle, not just in football, but life generally. Despite lockdown we have seen 32,000 coronavirus deaths in just a few weeks. Relaxation of the current measures will inevitably see this rate, and with it the pressure on the health service, surge sharply. In the long term it seems we will either have to accept a considerable change in how we interact or come to terms with a severe change in risk and mortality rates that is currently impossible to deal with effectively.

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I wouldn't say he's callous but that's a subjective view on his tone. I suppose the people coming into contact thing is covered partly by testing regularly and partly by social distancing in other areas of their life.

 

We could wait until we know everything about the virus and we have a vaccine/effective treatment but what damage will that do? I think his over arching point is right - and it was the heart of The Athletic piece on The Bundesliga - we have to work out a way to get going again before too much damage is done to wider society and especially wider health issues in every sphere. Even trivial matters that are blowing up are a right pain. I've been getting horrendous toothache on and off over the last couple of weeks - not life threatening but potentially teeth threatening! But cancer treatments are on hold, people are reluctant to go into hospital for all sorts of conditions that could become fatal. Ultimately we'll all have to make our own risk assessments and balance that with how we choose to or have to make our living. If it's deemed "safe" to go out and about in my line of work it's up to me to decide whether I accept that or find something else to do. It may be ultimately I have no choice and money dictates I have to go back. 

 

That doesn't mean I agree that now is the time. I have no idea to be honest, although talk of disinfecting pitches make me a bit dubious. It's all down to far better scientific minds than I, and possibly you because I don't know what your background is, possess. If the medical experts say play because they genuinely feel the risks are at an "acceptable" level and they outline those risks then it's down to the individuals concerned as to what to do. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, sweetsheri said:

Of course they are resourceful. They develop complex mechanisms to trick the cell that they are a welcome visitor..

Then they create carnage. Hence the wolf in sheep clothing..

 

Speak to any scientist about how resourceful a virus can be. Doesn't imply an active mind, that's silly. It's the behavioural mechanism

 

I was arguing on a narrow semantic view of what the word suggests to me rather than its actual meaning. I submit and beg your forgiveness and understanding!

lol

 

 

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10 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

It's all down to far better scientific minds than I, and possibly you because I don't know what your background is, possess. If the medical experts say play because they genuinely feel the risks are at an "acceptable" level and they outline those risks then it's down to the individuals concerned as to what to do. 

 

I'm not sure anyone is qualified to deal with this effectively. There will be huge long-term implications, no matter what the authorities choose to do. The other day at the Government briefing it was notable that the two advisors avoided directly answering the question about whether they were in full support of the latest measures, so we can assume there is dissent even at the highest levels.

 

Commerce, human psychology, the economy, social interaction, public health and so many other things are in all in conflict with one another in ways that modern society has not seen for generations at least. Without undoing the fabric of the world, a lot of major challenges lie ahead. I don't envy those in charge of having to navigate this at all.

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1 hour ago, rickygoo said:

I was arguing on a narrow semantic view of what the word suggests to me rather than its actual meaning. I submit and beg your forgiveness and understanding!

lol

 

 

Granted....

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3 hours ago, WalthamOwl said:


Because we are crap and these players will relegate us? 


That’s a pretty poo reason tho. I doubt we would go down tbh and had we been doing well we would be pleading for the season to be finished. In the spirit of the game, we should finish the season. 
 

 

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4 hours ago, Nero said:

As someone who isnt a corrupt press or leader and who caught the virus with another 20 people at a  small gig in March, one of whom died and one who is still on a ventilator: I can tell you that it's good to have an open mind but it's also worth having a filter on it so you avoid being an idiot with an open mind.

Add an er to the end of your name.

There’s really no need to be so rude. I am sorry for what happened to you. Genuinely. I didn’t realise keeping an open mind only applied if I agree with you though. And that not agreeing with you makes me an idiot. Fair enough. Personally I prefer reasoned debate to name calling. I’m obviously in the wrong place. 

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