Return to football on the 5th October reported

[casbahowl]

TBF I agree with quite a few of your comments.......... the Brexit inference just rendered them, what this season should become, null & void!

[Magic Rat]

Getting back to the subject of football for a minute, is anyone else noticing how many newspaper articles and other media discussions on restarting are entirely missing any reference to the Championship?

 

There’s a general view that Divisions 1 and 2  might not bother and the Premier League will find a way but our league is often passed over entirely. 

 

So so what are the factors that make the Championship so difficult to call ?

[Dick_Turpin]

19 minutes ago, Magic Rat said:

Getting back to the subject of football for a minute, is anyone else noticing how many newspaper articles and other media discussions on restarting are entirely missing any reference to the Championship?

 

There’s a general view that Divisions 1 and 2  might not bother and the Premier League will find a way but our league is often passed over entirely. 

 

So so what are the factors that make the Championship so difficult to call ?

The Championship originally voted unanimously to continue the season. Maybe that vote hasn’t been overturned yet. Given the resources it takes I suppose they have more chance of completing the season - some of the smaller European leagues that are less well resourced than the Championship are intending to Come back. 

[horny owl]

So what have we learned from this thread?
 

The season might restart but it might not

 

Some people are still seemingly believing what the mainstream media are telling us

 

Some people are still angry about being on the losing side of the brexit vote

 

Im happy to be still self isolating away from nutters

[Dick_Turpin]

8 minutes ago, horny owl said:

Some people are still seemingly believing what the mainstream media are telling us

As opposed to some random knobhead on YouTube. 

[horny owl]

2 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

As opposed to some random knobhead on YouTube. 

Who’s that then?

[the mighty wednesday]

2 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

As opposed to some random knobhead on YouTube. 

Thanks. You saved me from biting.

[Dick_Turpin]

1 minute ago, horny owl said:

Who’s that then?

The ones who rail against the dreaded MSM. 

Edited May 9, 2020 by rickygoo

[the mighty wednesday]

Just now, horny owl said:

Who’s that then?

Trump for one I reckon.

[the mighty wednesday]

Just now, rickygoo said:

The ones who rail against the dreaded MSM. 

Too late this time

[DJMortimer]

2 hours ago, handworth52 said:

I hear what you and others are saying , but listening to news and whats coming out of certain leaders gobs you can more or less tell there wont be or unlikely to be a viable vaccine in a reasonable amount of time ,there will almost certainly be better treatments so those what get it will have a higher chance of survival . we im affaid have a choice do we want 10 million out of work , business to fold like a pack of cards ,desperate people unable to afford there mortgage and rent ,as furloughing and handouts will soon be stopping , you can check every stat out 99% plus have sadly passed away who are very old and frail with some others who have health issues . or do we get back to life while protecting the ones what need protecting im for the last part . its very worrying and sadly a lot just don't realise how hard there lives are going to become. the amount of fear in a lot of people is frightening when really there is no need unless you fall into the at risk category. 

 

Some of your post is true and reasonable conjecture, but the part in bold is nothing more than an example of confirmation bias. In the first instance, it assumes that almost everyone under a certain age is essentially a picture of fitness and well-being. Not only is that far from the case, but for many of them, the aspects of their physiology that render them vulnerable to the worst effects of the virus will be currently unknown. 

 

Imperial College London, who are playing a leading role advising SAGE, estimated that if half of the world were ultimately to be infected at some stage, it would result in half a million deaths worldwide amongst the under 30s, including around 4,500 in this country. Some studies in China and the United States are also suggesting that the effects may be worse in very young children than was first thought, with over 10% of them suffering "severe and critical" illness following infection. According to the CDC, of the first 2,500 Americans to be hospitalised, a fifth of them were between the ages of 20 and 44, with that age group accounting for 12% of those submitted to intensive care.

 

Indications are also emerging that those who suffer moderate to severe effects of the virus may suffer long term issues of the lungs, heart and liver. There is some concern; not yet confirmed, that this damage may be permanent. A pulmonary specialist in New York has speculated that some of these people will go on to suffer secondary problems such as heart arrhythmias, congestive heart failure and myocarditis or pericarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle). Such fears are reinforced by the knowledge that SARS and MERS, somewhat similar to COVID-19, are both known to have lasting health consequences. A pulmonologist and assistant professor of pulmonary, critical care and medical education at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine says that understanding the full extent of this will take several months at least .

 

Obviously, research is still in it's early stages in many arenas and the picture will keep changing, but hoping for the best on the back of selective statistics doesn't seem like a sound strategy to me.

[AwokenGiant]

14 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Some of your post is true and reasonable conjecture, but the part in bold is nothing more than an example of confirmation bias. In the first instance, it assumes that almost everyone under a certain age is essentially a picture of fitness and well-being. Not only is that far from the case, but for many of them, the aspects of their physiology that render them vulnerable to the worst effects of the virus will be currently unknown. 

 

Imperial College London, who are playing a leading role advising SAGE, estimated that if half of the world were ultimately to be infected at some stage, it would result in half a million deaths worldwide amongst the under 30s, including around 4,500 in this country. Some studies in China and the United States are also suggesting that the effects may be worse in very young children than was first thought, with over 10% of them suffering "severe and critical" illness following infection. According to the CDC, of the first 2,500 Americans to be hospitalised, a fifth of them were between the ages of 20 and 44, with that age group accounting for 12% of those submitted to intensive care.

 

Indications are also emerging that those who suffer moderate to severe effects of the virus may suffer long term issues of the lungs, heart and liver. There is some concern; not yet confirmed, that this damage may be permanent. A pulmonary specialist in New York has speculated that some of these people will go on to suffer secondary problems such as heart arrhythmias, congestive heart failure and myocarditis or pericarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle). Such fears are reinforced by the knowledge that SARS and MERS, somewhat similar to COVID-19, are both known to have lasting health consequences. A pulmonologist and assistant professor of pulmonary, critical care and medical education at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine says that understanding the full extent of this will take several months at least .

 

Obviously, research is still in it's early stages in many arenas and the picture will keep changing, but hoping for the best on the back of selective statistics doesn't seem like a sound strategy to me.

 

Regarding point 1 (in bold): Would this not be all over the news? and are you referring to Kawasaki disease? 

 

Regarding point 2: could this not be a reflection of lifestyle and higher obesity rates? and also a higher number of BAME (4x more at risk) across the population?

 

Playing devils advocate - surely those in the know have enough information about the individuals who have sadly passed and can now more clearly determine the risk factors associated with this virus?

Edited May 10, 2020 by AwokenGiant

[andytrig]

The official site's less optimistic about a return date!