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Rhodes needs a target man alongside him and (ideally) 2 wingers, as part of an attacking side. That is when he did his damage for Hudds and Blackburn. 
 

To me he looks shot as a player, have to say the Forest away game did make me question my thinking, but he couldn’t continue it and he did get a few games at that point.

 

Move on, expensive mistake, great bloke, but not good enough anymore for champ football.

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He isn’t going anywhere.. who is going to sign a striker on 40k a week who hasn’t scored regularly in about 4 years particularly with the financial uncertainty at the moment. Nobody from the prem.. championship clubs won’t want him on that money either. He’ll run down his contract then leave on a free, drop down to the bottom clubs or league 1 on vastly reduced wages

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2 hours ago, rickygoo said:

Sadly he looked a bit better in this game!

 

He looks a completely different player now. That 4th goal is a goal he doesn’t look capable of now, which is strange as he’s only just turned 30 and should still be on his prime 

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2 minutes ago, Stoop said:

He looks a completely different player now. That 4th goal is a goal he doesn’t look capable of now, which is strange as he’s only just turned 30 and should still be on his prime 

Yep it’s that fourth that does it for me. Bit of pace, stunning finish.

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This is a long one but i thought i'd do some research and actually look into the stats....

 

"13 goals in 70 Sheff Wed appearances" - Shocking stat for a striker

"3 goals in 15 appearances this season" - Poor season so far

 

Dig deeper, Rhodes has played in 12 league games this season. He's completed a full game on one occasion out of the 12 league games, Forest away (he even got subbed off in that but it was the 87th minute so we will count it) , His playing time this season in league games is 500 minutes. He's played 45 minutes + on  5 occasions out of the 12 league appearances. He's completed 5.5 games but his 7 minute cameo at Swansea away this season adds a appearance on.

 

He's made 61 league appearances for us out of the 70 games. He's played 3382 minutes for us. 

The minutes he's been on the pitch equates to 37.5 games, that's not even one season his average game time is 55 minutes. 

 

Stats don't tell the full story on the face of it the stats look very poor "13 goals in 70 Sheff Wed appearances" when you look more closely how can anyone find form when he's playing the odd 7 minute here and the odd 20 here constantly chopping and changing, not being involved for a few weeks then having a 15 minute run out. Take this into consideration along with does our tactics even suit him and you could debate about Rhodes all night long. Personally i feel he's had a very rough time here and i feel sorry for him, he doesn't deserve the stick he gets, he's not been the signing we all wished for but that's not always down to the player and the fee/wages argument, that's not also Rhodes fault we offered those terms, its not like he's sat taking our money, that's our choice with not playing him, when he does play he gives 100% and i'll never knock him for that.

 

I did a similar comparison with Winall who has also been wrote off on numerous occasions and been deemed not good enough, baring in mind he's in the same mould as Rhodes, scored goals everywhere else apart from Wednesday.

 

Since Winall Joined he's played in 36 league games and scored 5 goals. He's played 1660 minutes. Out of the 36 games played he's completed 90 minutes on 5 occasions with 3 of those being in the first 3 months of him signing. Again despite the 1 minute cameo vs Birmingham which goes down as a appearance, he's started 18 games out of those 36 appearances.

 

We can't expect these players to play now and then and hit form, they need a run of games and a chance, we as a fan base and club need to be patient with players, not write them off after not scoring in 5 10 minute cameos saying that they've had their chances, people say they've both had chances but look at the stats provided, a chance isn't 1-30 minutes out of 90 minutes. Look at Iorfa, bit of a rough diamond, we've given him solid game time and a run of games and look how he's done, he's developing into one of our more promising players. You don't just stop scoring goals overnight and football hasn't evolved that much from Rhodes's time with Blackburn and Huddersfield likewise Winall at Derby and Barnsley.

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3 hours ago, WelshOwl74 said:

Anyone whose ever watched Rhodes play before he came to Wednesday will know he lacked pace, skill and strength 

He just scored shed loads of goals 

 

If you want him to do all the dirty work it ain't gonna happen 

He just wants it on a plate and score the goal 

Forest was a prime example of what he can do 

 

Sadly it ain't worked out for him here 

Do I blame Rhodes for that? 

Absolutely not

I blame chansiri/Carlos/stuffing man

For signing him 

Chansiri for not selling him/loaning him when we've had chances to 

 

It's been a dreadful signing but I'm 100% certain the Lad has always gave his best for the club 

Absolutely nailed it, if you spend big on a signing like Rhodes then you have to play his game and we didn't, Carlos even went on record as saying he had been trying to change his game and that has summed up the farce the signing has become.

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56 minutes ago, Lucas Joao's Tooth said:

This is a long one but i thought i'd do some research and actually look into the stats....

 

"13 goals in 70 Sheff Wed appearances" - Shocking stat for a striker

"3 goals in 15 appearances this season" - Poor season so far

 

Dig deeper, Rhodes has played in 12 league games this season. He's completed a full game on one occasion out of the 12 league games, Forest away (he even got subbed off in that but it was the 87th minute so we will count it) , His playing time this season in league games is 500 minutes. He's played 45 minutes + on  5 occasions out of the 12 league appearances. He's completed 5.5 games but his 7 minute cameo at Swansea away this season adds a appearance on.

 

He's made 61 league appearances for us out of the 70 games. He's played 3382 minutes for us. 

The minutes he's been on the pitch equates to 37.5 games, that's not even one season his average game time is 55 minutes. 

 

Stats don't tell the full story on the face of it the stats look very poor "13 goals in 70 Sheff Wed appearances" when you look more closely how can anyone find form when he's playing the odd 7 minute here and the odd 20 here constantly chopping and changing, not being involved for a few weeks then having a 15 minute run out. Take this into consideration along with does our tactics even suit him and you could debate about Rhodes all night long. Personally i feel he's had a very rough time here and i feel sorry for him, he doesn't deserve the stick he gets, he's not been the signing we all wished for but that's not always down to the player and the fee/wages argument, that's not also Rhodes fault we offered those terms, its not like he's sat taking our money, that's our choice with not playing him, when he does play he gives 100% and i'll never knock him for that.

 

I did a similar comparison with Winall who has also been wrote off on numerous occasions and been deemed not good enough, baring in mind he's in the same mould as Rhodes, scored goals everywhere else apart from Wednesday.

 

Since Winall Joined he's played in 36 league games and scored 5 goals. He's played 1660 minutes. Out of the 36 games played he's completed 90 minutes on 5 occasions with 3 of those being in the first 3 months of him signing. Again despite the 1 minute cameo vs Birmingham which goes down as a appearance, he's started 18 games out of those 36 appearances.

 

We can't expect these players to play now and then and hit form, they need a run of games and a chance, we as a fan base and club need to be patient with players, not write them off after not scoring in 5 10 minute cameos saying that they've had their chances, people say they've both had chances but look at the stats provided, a chance isn't 1-30 minutes out of 90 minutes. Look at Iorfa, bit of a rough diamond, we've given him solid game time and a run of games and look how he's done, he's developing into one of our more promising players. You don't just stop scoring goals overnight and football hasn't evolved that much from Rhodes's time with Blackburn and Huddersfield likewise Winall at Derby and Barnsley.

Maybe you’re missing the point The reason he doesn’t get minutes, is because he doesn’t contribute when he does get game time His game is not compatible now with what’s required at this level

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53 minutes ago, Lucas Joao's Tooth said:

We can't expect these players to play now and then and hit form, they need a run of games and a chance...

 

You mean like coming here, full of confidence as our record signing and going into a team doing well at the top of the division? Funnily enough Rhodes played in all of the first 20 games after his arrival, starting 16 of them. The reward for this show of faith? Three goals. That's THREE GOALS. In nearly half a season's worth of games. His ineffectiveness led to him sitting on the bench and in the stands so often, not the other way around.

 

After this, Carvalhal, Luhukay, Bullen and Monk all declined to play him regularly, even when some were on loan (Joao, Winnall) or in possibly our worst injury crisis ever (Hooper, Forestieri, Matias, Winnall and Fletcher all out for lengthy periods). During his time at the club he has shared appearances with seven other forwards of various styles and abilities, and until this season, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM has scored at a better rate than he has (he might just have staggered past Winnall's average this season). And remember, this was supposed to be his USP. Even his biggest supporters acknowledged there was little else to his game. So take away the goals and what's left? Even Atdhe Nuhiu, the oft-proclaimed 'donkey', 'joke' and 'pub player' scored in just 4 months what Rhodes has managed in his entire three plus years tenure at the club. 

 

What do you actually see when you watch him that gives you hope? Toughness holding the ball up to build attacks, a physical presence harrassing defenders, blistering pace to get behind the opponent and stretch the field, quick footed dribbling as he leaves adversaries in his wake, intelligent use of ball and space to create opportunities for others, accurate shooting from all around the penalty area, inspirational determination and leadership? What? 

 

Never in all my years of watching this club has one player been awarded so much patience, had so many excuses made for them. And still some are living in 2015; the last time he actually merited the epithet 'prolific' due to what he was doing on the field, rather than just in fanboy's imaginations.

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5 hours ago, WelshOwl74 said:

Anyone whose ever watched Rhodes play before he came to Wednesday will know he lacked pace, skill and strength 

He just scored shed loads of goals 

 

If you want him to do all the dirty work it ain't gonna happen 

He just wants it on a plate and score the goal 

Forest was a prime example of what he can do 

 

Sadly it ain't worked out for him here 

Do I blame Rhodes for that? 

Absolutely not

I blame chansiri/Carlos/stuffing man

For signing him 

Chansiri for not selling him/loaning him when we've had chances to 

 

It's been a dreadful signing but I'm 100% certain the Lad has always gave his best for the club 


The player has to take a significant proportion of the blame for failure. 
 

What really upset me, was the failure to step forward for the penalty shootout in the play off semi final. 
 

He had took penalties successfully at previous clubs. 
 

He came here as a star striker on star money. 
 

Dress it up all you like, I’m sure he’s a nice lad, blame the chairman, blame numerous managers but that abdication of responsibility was a shambolic, unforgivable disgrace. 


 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said:

He had took penalties successfully at previous clubs.

He wasn’t in the first five penalty takers in Huddersfield’s play off win against The Pigs. It wasn’t a unique situation. 

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4 hours ago, adelphi1867 said:

We can only move on any player IF there is some one who wants that player.

yeah who in there right mind would pay him what he's on here in the present circumstances …...I think we are stuck with him till the end of his contract . 

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Just now, rickygoo said:

He wasn’t in the first five penalty takers in Huddersfield’s play off win against The Pigs. It wasn’t a unique situation. 


So let’s get this straight, he’s took 21 penalties in his career.

 

Including for Huddersfield, a lot for Blackburn (very, very successfully) and he couldn’t be in our 5 penalty takers in a critical shoot out? 
 

Lets cut the nonsense, his record in the years up to that game was outstanding from penalties. 
 

He should have stepped up to the plate, justified his £30-40k a week wages and took a penalty. 
 

Instead, he left a non-specialist to take one and shoulder the responsibility. 
 

Shambolic is being very polite. 

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4 minutes ago, RichSheffWeds said:


So let’s get this straight, he’s took 21 penalties in his career.

 

Including for Huddersfield, a lot for Blackburn (very, very successfully) and he couldn’t be in our 5 penalty takers in a critical shoot out? 
 

Lets cut the nonsense, his record in the years up to that game was outstanding from penalties. 
 

He should have stepped up to the plate, justified his £30-40k a week wages and took a penalty. 
 

Instead, he left a non-specialist to take one and shoulder the responsibility. 
 

Shambolic is being very polite. 

I’m not sticking up for him. I’m saying he had form for it.

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4 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I’m not sticking up for him. I’m saying he had form for it.


It perhaps sums up our transfer policy that we have signed mentally weak individuals on big money over recent years. 
 

We desperately need to find players with the right strengths and character to play high profile football in future. It should be as important as talent. 
 

The pigs seem good at finding players with the right mindset, desire and mental strength when recruiting (hate saying that but it’s true).

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Just now, Thurcroft owl 72 said:

Either the player has lost his abilities he has had all his life or the manager is incapable of getting a performance from the player. Doesn't bode well for us either way. As i said before a good manager would geta tune out of him

 

"...the manager"?

 

He's had four of them in his time here (Bruce doesn't count as Rhodes was on loan) and none of them wanted to play him much apart from those first 20 games, when presumably there were about eight million reasons influencing the decision.

 

It won't be long before Monk starts earnestly getting blamed for coronavirus. :dry:

 

 

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