Gary Rowett

[Bluesteel]

3 hours ago, modboy said:

SWFC always needs a big manager. We havent had this since Big Ron imo.

We keep recruiting too conservatively though do realise we probably arent a draw for the type of manager we need 

we had it in Steve Bruce briefly 

[Bouncing Owl]

16 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Him and Monk are cut from the same cloth, neither are currently right for Wednesday. League One, maybe, but we aren’t there yet

Im not a massive fan of Monk but I think Wilyfox has it right. This group of players are spineless and most managers would find it difficult here. It needs a clear out and starting again. After 2 playoff campaigns and having a free reign the majority of this group of players need moving on. 

[room0035]

15 hours ago, 83owl said:

Rowett signed loads of big money players at derby and did nothing. Signed loads of players at stoke and got sacked yet apparently would have been a success here. 

indeed but hasn't Monk done the same at Swansea, Boro and Leeds and his cv is so good what has he achieved again, oh yeah nothing and every team he has been at don't want him back and the fans despise him.

 

Rowett did fail at Stoke but hasn't every manager since Pulis. But at Burton, Birmingham and now Millwall he is doing a good job. Monk cv on the other hand not reading as good.

 

Look there are those on here that thinks it is all done to the players yet Carlos, Bruce and Bullen got the players consistently performing. But Monk and Jos have had issues with senior players. So it must all be the players fault or maybe just maybe Monk and Jos are not strong enough personalities or managers to get the best out of difficult players.

[adelphi1867]

1 hour ago, room0035 said:

indeed but hasn't Monk done the same at Swansea, Boro and Leeds and his cv is so good what has he achieved again, oh yeah nothing and every team he has been at don't want him back and the fans despise him.

 

Rowett did fail at Stoke but hasn't every manager since Pulis. But at Burton, Birmingham and now Millwall he is doing a good job. Monk cv on the other hand not reading as good.

 

Look there are those on here that thinks it is all done to the players yet Carlos, Bruce and Bullen got the players consistently performing. But Monk and Jos have had issues with senior players. So it must all be the players fault or maybe just maybe Monk and Jos are not strong enough personalities or managers to get the best out of difficult players.

If you call 8 games or so out of a season consistency then you are right, but hasn't Monk done the same, till the newness wore of and the players drifted back into their old routine.

I am sure that Monk has coached the players to retreat  deep and defend  their own penalty area at the end of every game.

Monk turned Leeds around and left, Turned Birmingham around while having to deal FFP problems and losing points + playing attacking football, he took Swansea into Europe and when he left they were in the Prem, Carlos took them down.

Monk and Rowett have very similar records and, at the time, when Houghton turned us down, I wanted either one.

Lastly, Monk has the unenviable job of building a TEAM from the mess he was left with, and Rowett would have faced the same predicament.

[83owl]

1 hour ago, room0035 said:

indeed but hasn't Monk done the same at Swansea, Boro and Leeds and his cv is so good what has he achieved again, oh yeah nothing and every team he has been at don't want him back and the fans despise him.

 

Rowett did fail at Stoke but hasn't every manager since Pulis. But at Burton, Birmingham and now Millwall he is doing a good job. Monk cv on the other hand not reading as good.

 

Look there are those on here that thinks it is all done to the players yet Carlos, Bruce and Bullen got the players consistently performing. But Monk and Jos have had issues with senior players. So it must all be the players fault or maybe just maybe Monk and Jos are not strong enough personalities or managers to get the best out of difficult players.

Bullens been in charge for too few games to have an opinion but there was hardly a clamour for him to get the job full time. Bruce took us from 14th to 12th so if you call that consistently performing then fair enough. 
 

And I presume you think the team was consistently performing as well when Carlos left and we were in the bottom half of the table at Christmas.

[room0035]

10 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said:

If you call 8 games or so out of a season consistency then you are right, but hasn't Monk done the same, till the newness wore of and the players drifted back into their old routine.

I am sure that Monk has coached the players to retreat  deep and defend  their own penalty area at the end of every game.

Monk turned Leeds around and left, Turned Birmingham around while having to deal FFP problems and losing points + playing attacking football, he took Swansea into Europe and when he left they were in the Prem, Carlos took them down.

Monk and Rowett have very similar records and, at the time, when Houghton turned us down, I wanted either one.

Lastly, Monk has the unenviable job of building a TEAM from the mess he was left with, and Rowett would have faced the same predicament.

Look we have differing view that's the beauty of this site.

 

Monk has built a very weak minded team, we are back to the dark days of Jos where we have to score 2 goals to get anything from the games. We are not playing our strongest team. I don't care if Westwood and Hutch are prats or gods if they are the best player in their position and they are fit and in form then they play.

 

Westwood is better than Dawson, Hutch is better than Pelupessy and Lee but GM does not play them. Would Rowett do the same who knows. Rhodes and Winnall sit in the stands while Nuihu has played 30 games for a return of 3 goals. The best partnership we have at the back is Borner/Iorfa but for whatever reason Monk plays the out of form Lees. Right back should be the steady Eddie Palmer but changes weekly. Every under performing player in midfield has been dropped yet Bannan who performs 1 in 4 games is a certain starter even though he spends more time in his own half than attacking. 

 

Yes Monk can only work with what he has but he has a good but aging squad of players, mixed in with a few decent loan signing who need match sharpness but instead what we have is the wrong 11 week in week out and a team that is sliding into a relegation fight without the belly for it. 

 

Gary Monk made this big thing in the press that he has been tracking Da Cruz for a while and he is, his sort of player the guy is complete gash and if this is the standard of player we are going to get when GM rebuilds the team then we are in serious problems.

 

Co-Vid and cancelling of the season could seriously be the best outcome that is how much of a mess we are in both off and on the pitch.

[TheEnchanter]

Millwall seem like one of those clubs that can always rally together and create a good season with minimal money and lower reputation players. Then it falls apart and they go to league one then they come back up and 'surprise' everyone again. 

[room0035]

4 minutes ago, 83owl said:

Bullens been in charge for too few games to have an opinion but there was hardly a clamour for him to get the job full time. Bruce took us from 14th to 12th so if you call that consistently performing then fair enough. 
 

And I presume you think the team was consistently performing as well when Carlos left and we were in the bottom half of the table at Christmas.

Bruce made us hard to beat but we drew too many games.

 

Under both Jos and Monk we are needing to score 2 goals to have any chance of getting anything and we seem to be fodder for any team with a forward line. Blackburn, Brentford, Reading, Derby, Stoke all team struggling when we played them all teams that took us apart with ease. Luton the worse team in the league where a lot better than the 1-0 score line.

 

Under Bruce, Carlos and Bullen we looked like we could win games, under Monk it is just a case of when not if we lose. There is no fight, no passion, no team set up or tactics. Every game goes the same we start with 11 players they don't perform, concede soft goal we change the team at half time and spend the rest of the match chasing the game.

 

[DJMortimer]

1 hour ago, room0035 said:

Rhodes and Winnall sit in the stands while Nuihu has played 30 games for a return of 3 goals.

 

Nuhiu                     14+19 appearances, 4 goals, 2 assists

Rhodes/Winnall      15+17 appearances, 5 goals (3 of them in one half of football), 0 assists

 

Not exactly a world of difference is it?

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by DJMortimer

[room0035]

1 hour ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Nuhiu                     14+19 appearances, 4 goals, 2 assists

Rhodes/Winnall      15+17 appearances, 5 goals (3 of them in one half of football), 0 assists

 

Not exactly a world of difference is it?

 

Indeed but their appearances are few and far between Atty is in the match day squad every game. Players need consistency. 

 

But I would rather have given Borukov 10 games than these 3. Thank god we will final not have to watch the 7 foot lump run in mud after this season.

[DJMortimer]

2 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Indeed but their appearances are few and far between Atty is in the match day squad every game. Players need consistency. 

 

But I would rather have given Borukov 10 games than these 3. Thank god we will final not have to watch the 7 foot lump run in mud after this season.

 

Rhodes and Winnall are on the bench because they are ineffective, not the other way round. Nuhiu plays as frequently as he does because a) he's the nearest we have to a direct understudy for Fletcher, b) he can be useful in his own right sometimes, c) there's no one in the squad who's any better.

 

Ideally, we'd be able to really sweep the decks and start again next season, but for various reasons the scope for that looks rather limited. 

[Guest everydays_wednesday]

On 04/05/2020 at 11:55, hasthagotanycheese said:

Only one Gary should be manager of SWFC

Correct and here he is.....