torryowl Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Royal_D said: There both very successful businessman who both don’t belong in Football What’s MA achieved at Newcastle !!? Really ? Spoke to any Toon fans ? Met many that think he belongs in football ? I would guess that the percentage of fans that like there owners would be in single figures …….he's achieved nothing of note at Newcastle but if he got us to were they are then that nothing would do us fine …..one thing I do know he wouldn't be taking advice from faceless agents . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: Well yeah, I'm a fan rather than an owner like most of us on here and while a positive bank balance for our club would be great, results on the field is what we look at. Newcastle weren't going bust before he took over and were competitive in the top 6 of the Premier League at times, they made a lot more money under Ashley, thanks largely to the TV boom which had nothing to do with his ownership, but became a team happy to avoid relegation and failed at that twice. It literally does not matter one jot what points you make about league positions, relegations, promotions etc As he walks away from Newcastle he will be simply looking at : A) I managed to make significant money from my time there B) I owned a football club (huge bonus vanity points for that) Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: It literally does not matter one jot what points you make about league positions, relegations, promotions etc As he walks away from Newcastle he will be simply looking at : A) I managed to make significant money from my time there B) I owned a football club (huge bonus vanity points for that) Yes but back to the point of the thread - would he be a good owner for us - from a fans perspective - the evidence does not point towards that as he has never taken over a Championship club that loses huge amount of money and he has taken his current club backwards in terms of results. If the thread was about does Mike Ashley make money from football then you might have a point but that isn't what we are debating is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: the evidence does not point towards that as he has never taken over a Championship club that loses huge amount of money You want that to be one of the qualifications of a new owner? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: You want that to be one of the qualifications of a new owner? You are critical of our current owner for spending too much but the owner you are singing the praises of felt the need to spend £112M on wages to get out of this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: You are critical of our current owner for spending too much Really? Where did I say that? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, torryowl said: I would guess that the percentage of fans that like there owners would be in single figures …….he's achieved nothing of note at Newcastle but if he got us to were they are then that nothing would do us fine …..one thing I do know he wouldn't be taking advice from faceless agents . He hasn’t exactly taken Newcastle from an average championship club who’s been out the prem 20yr to a steady PL club though has he ? How many times have they been relegated on his watch ? Don’t dispute he’s made a few quid out of them, and knows how to run a business , but Football he does not know about and has achieved absolutely nothing in a football sense at Newcastle United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, torryowl said: you don't have the wealth he has without some serious nous... Donald Trump is worth about $2billion isn't he? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Royal_D said: Don’t dispute he’s made a few quid out of them, and knows how to run a business , but Football he does not know about and has achieved absolutely nothing in a football sense at Newcastle United I think what you've seen at Newcastle is an owner wanting to float in the Premier League without really going for it and spending big with no guarantees that it will bring success. He's recruited some great managers and some that didn't work along the way Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I think what you've seen at Newcastle is an owner wanting to float in the Premier League without really going for it and spending big with no guarantees that it will bring success. He's recruited some great managers and some that didn't work along the way Shame he floated to the championship then innit , twice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, DJMortimer said: Donald Trump is worth about $2billion isn't he? Yeah but he’s only the president of the United States of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, horny owl said: Yeah but he’s only the president of the United States of America The suggestion was that you don't have a fortune without "some serious nous." Are you going to mount a defence of him in that regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Royal_D said: Shame he floated to the championship then innit , twice ? *buys club* *floats around between Premier League and Championship* *makes SHEDLOADS of money* *walks away* Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: *buys club* *floats around between Premier League and Championship* *makes SHEDLOADS of money* *walks away* Brilliant, sounds like a really great potential owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: Brilliant, sounds like a really great potential owner I'm not suggesting that would make a great owner for us by the way, just possibly (and most likely) how Ashley would view his time overall. As it happens most football chairmen would love that to be them. Let's not get blinded by the fact that they're all vain businessmen wanting to own clubs and made prrrrrrrrrofits Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, DJMortimer said: Donald Trump is worth about $2billion isn't he? he is but he was born with a silver spoon in his gob Ashley came up from nothing …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley8 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Nightmare jog on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said: Newcastle United league position in the 12 seasons prior to Mike Ashley: 13th, 7th, 14th, 5th, 3rd, 4th, 11th, 11th, 13th, 13th, 2nd, 2nd. Average League position = 8th Newcastle United league position in the 12 seasons under Mike Ashley: 12th, 18th, 21st, 12th, 5th, 16th, 10th, 15th, 18th, 21st, 10th, 13th. Average League position = 14th. When he sells he will have made a few bob out of them though. This isn't right though is it? When you say 21st you mean first in the championship so the average is completely different. Also, the 12 years before Ashley were before the mega rich owners came in. Newcastle were one of the big fish then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, beef said: This isn't right though is it? When you say 21st you mean first in the championship so the average is completely different. Also, the 12 years before Ashley were before the mega rich owners came in. Newcastle were one of the big fish then. They couldn't finish in the top 20 because they got relegated under Ashley - something that was hardly ever a possibility in the years before he invested. Ashley took over in 2007, which mega rich owners are you talking about that resulted in Newcastle dropping from a regular top 8 side to a side relegated twice in less than 10 seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Really? Where did I say that? You aren't critical of the way the current owner has managed the finances of the club? Edited May 7, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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