Dutch league declared null and void...

[Guest Bulgaria]

8 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

It's really, really unfortunate for those clubs who looked likely to win promotion, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that big a deal, as I'm sure we're all now painfully aware.

On the face of it, I don't disagree, but what about all the folks who will lose jobs if clubs fold?

It might seem heartless but not everyone is getting this virus and passing away and if steps are taken to ensure participants test negative then why not play?

[fudge27]

13 hours ago, 31Dec1966 said:

This season is cancelled, null and void. Next season starts when it is safe to do so with all teams in exactly the same position as at the start of this season.  Those that qualified for Europe this season still qualify next season. The fixture list can even be exactly the same.

The only alternative is to play the remaining 9 or 10 games to complete this season when it is safe to do so, which could be 4-6 months away. Clubs will have gone to the wall and squads will be totally different, it's a non starter. When would next season begin ??  Football is nothing without fans so behind closed doors is farcical. The whole prevarication is farcical. End the season now.

Not how they've done it though. 

 

Clubs in the places at the time of the cancellation have somehow been awarded the qualifying status of that position, despite the season being null and void. No idea how the hell that works! 

 

If it's null and void surely it means that results don't stand?! 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

44 minutes ago, Bulgaria said:

On the face of it, I don't disagree, but what about all the folks who will lose jobs if clubs fold?

It might seem heartless but not everyone is getting this virus and passing away and if steps are taken to ensure participants test negative then why not play?

 

If players, coaching teams, club staff etc. can be tested without taking resources away from areas where they're needed, then in theory games could go ahead. However, as soon as one person tests positive or shows symptoms, the whole league programme would grind to a halt again as final games need to be played synchronously in the interests of fairness.

 

Of course, you've then got the issue of fans not being able to attend games, which for me is a complete no-go. Football without fans would kill the game at the lower levels and would be an insult to supporters at all levels.

 

Even then, I'm not sure how football could safely go ahead in the current situation: there's no way that Elland Road or Anfield wouldn't be swamped by fans should their clubs be on the verge of clinching the league title that day, taking emergency services away from what they should be doing to manage and disperse the inevitable crowds.

 

I honestly can't see a way for the game to continue any time soon.

[the third man]

1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

If players, coaching teams, club staff etc. can be tested without taking resources away from areas where they're needed, then in theory games could go ahead. However, as soon as one person tests positive or shows symptoms, the whole league programme would grind to a halt again as final games need to be played synchronously in the interests of fairness.

 

 

 

what happens when one tests positive, or a member of the backroom staff, or any other person in the ground on a matchday or any member of staff at the hotel, which would have to reopen as well, tests positive

 

That means both sets of teams and officials have to isolate for two weeks, and any other teams they have played in the previous 14 days have to isolate it would be impossible to organise anything.

 

and what about the risk to the peoples familly

 

And what happens when a player decides he doesn't want to put himself or any member of his family at risk

 

and how do explain to other people that they cant go to the park and play because they aren't as important as footballers

Edited April 25, 2020 by the third man

[torryowl]

these are extraordinary times and extraordinary decisions have to be imposed ….whatever the powers that be decide the clubs who miss out should bite the bullet and show a bit of class and accept it like ajax have done . 

[the third man]

15 minutes ago, torryowl said:

these are extraordinary times and extraordinary decisions have to be imposed ….whatever the powers that be decide the clubs who miss out should bite the bullet and show a bit of class and accept it like ajax have done . 

Couldn't agree more, but it depends how desperate they are for the money

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

1 hour ago, the third man said:

what happens when one tests positive, or a member of the backroom staff, or any other person in the ground on a matchday or any member of staff at the hotel, which would have to reopen as well, tests positive

 

That means both sets of teams and officials have to isolate for two weeks, and any other teams they have played in the previous 14 days have to isolate it would be impossible to organise anything.

 

and what about the risk to the peoples familly

 

And what happens when a player decides he doesn't want to put himself or any member of his family at risk

 

and how do explain to other people that they cant go to the park and play because they aren't as important as footballers

 

Exactly.

[sMacLean]

15 hours ago, Nut said:

Based on the way the Dutch have done it, I think the pigs would be in Europe. 

Think they'd get the second qualifying round of Europa if it's City's League cup win place they get. 

[Nut]

1 minute ago, sMacLean said:

Think they'd get the second qualifying round of Europa if it's City's League cup win place they get. 

Cheers. So if city appeal their ban pigs miss out?

[mattitheowl]

If we look at the cold hard truth of it, cancelling the season would negatively affect about what 8 clubs?  I mean 14 max, out of 91.  As run away as Liverpool are, nobody else is really looking nailed on to go up.  Leeds were looking good but even so it's not outside their ability to completely blow it!  League 1 has 8 teams split by 8 points so there's nobody in that bunch guaranteed anything.  League 2 is only 11 points from top to last play off spot so again, nothing nailed on.

 

Cancel the season and work out what the next one will look like with restrictions in place.

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

41 minutes ago, mattitheowl said:

If we look at the cold hard truth of it, cancelling the season would negatively affect about what 8 clubs?  I mean 14 max, out of 91.  As run away as Liverpool are, nobody else is really looking nailed on to go up.  Leeds were looking good but even so it's not outside their ability to completely blow it!  League 1 has 8 teams split by 8 points so there's nobody in that bunch guaranteed anything.  League 2 is only 11 points from top to last play off spot so again, nothing nailed on.

 

Cancel the season and work out what the next one will look like with restrictions in place.

 

At least we know that part, eh?

 

[the third man]

I think once all the different associations cancel their leagues that qualification for Europe next season will be based on what teams qualified from last season, or else with the amount of money at stake there will be some legal proceedings with teams that aren't put forward arguing their case in court

[sMacLean]

4 hours ago, Nut said:

Cheers. So if city appeal their ban pigs miss out?

Depends how the FA cup is viewed and if we keep our 7 European places or it gets cut to 6 as no FA Cup final got played.

 

If City appeal and stay in that'd give Man Utd the direct EL place via Prem and Wolves a cup place for definite.

 

If FA cup is still classed as City's from last season then Wolves get that and direct EL place, Sheff U get the League cup place which is 2nd qualifying round.

 

If FA Cup is scrubbed Wolves would get the League cup place (2nd Rd Quali) and nothing for Sheff U.

 

So you'd need a City appeal and FA Cup place voided I think to keep them out.

[fudge27]

3 hours ago, the third man said:

I think once all the different associations cancel their leagues that qualification for Europe next season will be based on what teams qualified from last season, or else with the amount of money at stake there will be some legal proceedings with teams that aren't put forward arguing their case in court

Think it all you want. Eredivise haven't done it and that's the best indication for now 

[Stoop]

I love the Dutch, they’re just so sensible and chilled out

[mattitheowl]

16 hours ago, the third man said:

I think once all the different associations cancel their leagues that qualification for Europe next season will be based on what teams qualified from last season, or else with the amount of money at stake there will be some legal proceedings with teams that aren't put forward arguing their case in court

 

The Dutch have said the current top 2 will qualify for UCL (the relevant qualifying rounds anyway).  So they are just stopping the league now and not handing out a title, but seemingly positions stand.

 

Maybe here it could be current top 2 qualify then a pre-season play-off for next 4 teams to decide who gets next 2 an UEL places.

[the third man]

2 hours ago, mattitheowl said:

 

The Dutch have said the current top 2 will qualify for UCL (the relevant qualifying rounds anyway).  So they are just stopping the league now and not handing out a title, but seemingly positions stand.

 

Maybe here it could be current top 2 qualify then a pre-season play-off for next 4 teams to decide who gets next 2 an UEL places.

 

Ultimately it will UEFA who decide, if all leagues are void they will want teams who will get them the most money from TV revenues, and the TV companies will want the teams that will make them most advertising revenue

[31Dec1966]

21 hours ago, mattitheowl said:

If we look at the cold hard truth of it, cancelling the season would negatively affect about what 8 clubs?  I mean 14 max, out of 91.  As run away as Liverpool are, nobody else is really looking nailed on to go up.  Leeds were looking good but even so it's not outside their ability to completely blow it!  League 1 has 8 teams split by 8 points so there's nobody in that bunch guaranteed anything.  League 2 is only 11 points from top to last play off spot so again, nothing nailed on.

 

Cancel the season and work out what the next one will look like with restrictions in place.

Liverpool are well clear BUT can still be caught. They are not mathematically certain of their position. They cannot be awarded the title and not impose the other current positions on the rest of the league. This would mean teams being relegated (and by extension, others promoted) when, with 9 games to go they could easily escape. So, Liverpool are definitely NOT  nailed on.

There are so many unknown, ifs, buts and maybes that the season has to be declared null and void.  Those 8 you refer to may claim this is unfair, but life is unfair, and there are bigger issues at present.

The biggest issue (I'm talking about football here) is clubs going bankrupt.  The PL, EFL and PFA should work out a way to safeguard all clubs during lockdown (they have enough money), encourage them to help the wider community and then we start again ONLY when it is safe to do WITH fans.

[Guest Bulgaria]

On 25/04/2020 at 13:11, torryowl said:

show a bit of class and accept it like ajax have done . 

Is that the same ajax that's been given a champions league spot even though the season is null and void?

 

Not surprised they have accepted it with class.

[HighworthOwl]

14 hours ago, Bulgaria said:

Is that the same ajax that's been given a champions league spot even though the season is null and void?

 

Not surprised they have accepted it with class.

 

Ajax, PSV and Feyonoord agreed to divide European money between the other clubs in there division to improve the domestic competition. There motivation wont be financial.