Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nero said: Common misconception that. 96% of UK households have internet. That was 2019 figure too and it will be even more now. It's even more vital for elderly people. It will only be a handful who are able to physically get to games who dont have internet. That’s surprisingly high.. none of my grandparents have internet nor would they know how to use a computer. I’d have thought most people over 75-80 don’t have the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Nero said: Common misconception that. 96% of UK households have internet. That was 2019 figure too and it will be even more now. It's even more vital for elderly people. It will only be a handful who are able to physically get to games who dont have internet. Edited April 21, 2020 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: That’s surprisingly high.. none of my grandparents have internet nor would they know how to use a computer. I’d have thought most people over 75-80 don’t have the internet Well if people had voted Labour 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Maddogbob said: Might be a case of tough then Or perhaps the radio. Surely they'll be entitled to a refund, rather than just 'tough luck', though? Personally, the idea of behind closed doors games shouldn't even be considered: without the fans, football is nothing. Until such time as the stadiums can be safely reopened, the game needs to be mothballed. Edited April 21, 2020 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: That’s surprisingly high.. none of my grandparents have internet nor would they know how to use a computer. I’d have thought most people over 75-80 don’t have the internet I work with local authorities and as you can imagine they are keen to keep everyone digitally included. It would be unlikely but not totally unheard of that our older fans can physically get to a game but dont have the common sense to use the internet. The graph posted above shows users not access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 QIf the games are behind closed doors football clubs all over the country may be forced to pay back fans for the remaining matches. We currently have 5 home games remaining. I sit on the North, costs me £555. Works out at £24 per game. Meaning I’d lose out on £120. Club have been paying players for over a month now. Numerous players in that time will have earned obscene amounts of money. I don’t think it’s wrong for any fan to think they are owed some money IF games are to be played behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HillsboroughOwlNI Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Surely everyone should be paying top ups? Look at the benefits of less stress and increased life expectancy of not turning up every Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, modboy said: Well if people had voted Labour Lol.. they’d have internet access but no computer to actually use it. I think it comes down to how old you were when it took off, which is probably about 20 years ago. Anyone who was still working at that time would have seen it and got used to it, then used it for themselves at home. So that’s people up to the age of about 75-80. Anyone who was already 60 20 years ago and retired had no use for it, never got comfortable with it and just carried on their life as normal. If you’re that age group you’ve basically had to go out of your way to learn about it because you were interested rather than it being a normal automatic part of your life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: Lol.. they’d have internet access but no computer to actually use it. I think it comes down to how old you were when it took off, which is probably about 20 years ago. Anyone who was still working at that time would have seen it and got used to it, then used it for themselves at home. So that’s people up to the age of about 75-80. Anyone who was already 60 20 years ago and retired had no use for it, never got comfortable with it and just carried on their life as normal. If you’re that age group you’ve basically had to go out of your way to learn about it because you were interested rather than it being a normal automatic part of your life Both my parents are 80. They've got phones and computers as have all their friends and they are all posting on Facebook etc. I wish to god they weren't though..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I think it's too early to just say refund They might for example offer everyone the option to watch at home on their TV instead? I don't want a refund, but I really don't think you will satisfy people who do by giving them access to a stream of an empty stadium. ST prices average out at about £24 a game (North stand), you can't justify charging £24 to watch in your front room. Especially for a family who have 4 tickets and can all watch together! £100 a game to watch something they normally charge a tenner for isn't great. I'd be happy with some form of future credit or offer (shop vouchers, cup tickets, discount on away tickets, etc.). Not even to the full value. But if they offered say 50% off a shirt and 3 half price away tickets I'd be pretty happy with that. 1 Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nero said: I work with local authorities and as you can imagine they are keen to keep everyone digitally included. It would be unlikely but not totally unheard of that our older fans can physically get to a game but dont have the common sense to use the internet. The graph posted above shows users not access Lol common sense? You’ve never seen an old person try and use a computer when they never have before have you. It’s not about common sense, even really basic stuff like knowing how to press a key on a keyboard isn’t obvious to them. I remember being a kid and telling my grandad to type his name thinking it was obvious how to do that, he held the ‘W’ (to try and spell William) key down so long that it was just a long string of ‘Wwwwwwwwww’ on screen lol. It takes some time to help them to learn. And at their ages a lot of them don’t have the concentration for it or the interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 next season will be the issue, wonder how many STs we have sold so far? Thats going to be a massive refund due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, mattitheowl said: I don't want a refund, but I really don't think you will satisfy people who do by giving them access to a stream of an empty stadium. What if they had inflatable people in the seats? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, modboy said: next season will be the issue, wonder how many STs we have sold so far? Thats going to be a massive refund due Unless they defer them to the following year (assuming fans are happy to do it). Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: What if they had inflatable people in the seats? It would help. Probably be better atmosphere than at some games this year! 3 Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, mattitheowl said: Unless they defer them to the following year (assuming fans are happy to do it). depends if we have "spent" the money though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, modboy said: depends if we have "spent" the money though Why does it? I don't want a refund, I'd be happy for it to be deferred (as I'm sure a good number of people would). I appreciate some people will need the money, but so will the club! Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Surely they'll be entitled to a refund, rather than just 'tough luck', though? Personally, the idea of behind closed doors games shouldn't even be considered: without the fans, football is nothing. Until such time as the stadiums can be safely reopened, the game needs to be mothballed. Oh yeah refund them, totally. Football won't survive being mothballed unfortunately. Well in its current state. On top Of that you've got wider things to concider, like for example youth team programmes, they also need funding. The only way it'll survive (in a pro sense or as is) is to play it behind closed doors based on a sustainable rebooted model. Ie reduced wages etc. Anyone hoping for the norm to return short term will be dissapointed. Edited April 21, 2020 by Maddogbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Regardless of some faults our chairman has, not looking after the fans isn't one of them. I'm confident he will come forward with something that makes our fans happy if they don't want to take up the Ifollow offer. The Chairman won't want to upset or stress out anyone so will come good I'm sure of it. Me too. Over 7 tiers with packages ranging from £20000 to free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, mattitheowl said: Why does it? I don't want a refund, I'd be happy for it to be deferred (as I'm sure a good number of people would). I appreciate some people will need the money, but so will the club! how would they fund the year after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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