@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, torres said: in his defence he is doing something that no other chairman in my lifetime has done and shown ambition and backed his manager significantly = He's spaffed MILLIONS Yet we are in a much worse situation than before That doesn't make you an admirable or noteworthy chairman as history will testify if he doesn't turn this situation around Note - I've not even mentioned the EFL charges and potential points deduction yet.. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, davey_wells said: Mammadov False promises, false Dawn's. We must have been proper desperate at that point We still are... Edited April 12, 2020 by Roscoe P. Coltrane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: = He's spaffed MILLIONS Yet we are in a much worse situation than before That doesn't make you an admirable or noteworthy chairman as history will testify if he doesn't turn this situation around Note - I've not even mentioned the EFL charges and potential points deduction yet.. As a chairman you put your trust in a manager/scouts He gave millions to a cretin - of course the buck stops with him but he was let down massively by who CC purchased No way should he have allowed us to break the rules but He gambled like Wolves, they bought good young players with a sell on value We bought has been no marks who were well past their sell by date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 All we can do as football fans is to support him and hope he can come good. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Rewind to before he did that. Then write down in a piece of paper all of the situation that we are in now Aged, stale squad full of bad attitude players on inflated contracts that are unsellable Fans getting priced out of going to games due to POTG ticket prices Season ticket holders staying away due to results and lack of exciting football/getting hammered all the time Lack of real sponsors at the club Serious decline in corporate activity / investment by companies Team in a worse league position Fans questioning repeatedly some of the shady characters within the football club etc etc etc The cost of this to you will be £100 Million+ Take a look at that piece of paper and read the points above again.. 1) Would you buy that list of outcomes for £100Million? 2) Would you expect to be praised for sinking your money into that outcome? 3) Would you expect to be challenged by fans for this kind of outcome? 4) Should spending 100 Million pounds plus on that outcome make you a hero? His money. My point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, lanzaroteowl said: His money. My point still stands. How do you think Chansiri will be judged in the history of this football club from his legacy so far? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: All we can do as football fans is to support him and hope he can come good. “Come good” in terms of?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, torres said: “Come good” in terms of?? Success on the pitch, promotion, a more sustainable football club, a hungrier younger squad, more corporate uptake etc etc Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Was anyone moaning when we got to wembley? Was anyone moaning when we were spending all those millions on Jordan Rhodes and Urby Emanuelson etc? etc etc etc Why are you so terrified of people challenging the outcome of Chansiri's investment to date? I don't understand it His investment and amount of money spent does not equate to any form of improvement at the football club whatsoever apart from a few improved facilities, nice pitch and new scoreboard. Get up off your knees and stop worshipping a man just because he has an extraordinary amount of cash. My point exactly No one was moaning when we were spending money and riding high. Now it's all tears and let's blame the man who funded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, lanzaroteowl said: My point exactly No one was moaning when we were spending money and riding high. Now it's all tears and let's blame the man who funded it. I think you're completely missing the point of performance analysis You don't assess someone's performance ahead of time, you look back on performance historically and make a judgement at that point surely? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: How do you think Chansiri will be judged in the history of this football club from his legacy so far? Gave us the best years we've had since the early '90s. Nearly got us promoted in his first wave. Regrouping for another push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, lanzaroteowl said: Gave us the best years we've had since the early '90s. Nearly got us promoted in his first wave. Regrouping for another push. Regrouping for another push? Really? You really believe that? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Success on the pitch, promotion, a more sustainable football club, a hungrier younger squad, more corporate uptake etc etc He did his best for the highlighted issues but was let down by idiots. The signing of Rhodes showed how much he relied on these idiots and how these were the wrong people for the club Off field I’m not sure he can get worse (hopefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I think you're completely missing the point of performance analysis You don't assess someone's performance ahead of time, you look back on performance historically and make a judgement at that point surely? Performance is a team effort. Carlos the clueless and the disastrous Jos played a huge part in that. I do lay the blame on DC about when Cc should have been let go and the Jos appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Regrouping for another push? Really? You really believe that? Yes. Why not? When the stadium sale goes through and it will one way or another. The £60M he has invested in us through this, is now in the war chest for the next push. (£41M over 3 years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, torres said: He did his best for the highlighted issues but was let down by idiots. The signing of Rhodes showed how much he relied on these idiots and how these were the wrong people for the club They're still here. Engrained into the very fabric of the club and impossible to remove Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: They're still here. Engrained into the very fabric of the club and impossible to remove He got rid of one of the idiots - belatedly He needs very quickly to get rid of the rest Many supporters thought Rhodes was a good purchase at the time so a lot can’t point fingers without being hypocritical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think you're completely missing the point of performance analysis You don't assess someone's performance ahead of time, you look back on performance historically and make a judgement at that point surely? Not if you're a football fan. You live for the dream. You go into each new season having spent money, dreaming of being the Champions or at least top 6. You are not thinking hmmm maybe at the end of the season our balance sheet might look poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, lanzaroteowl said: Not if you're a football fan. You live for the dream. You go into each new season having spent money, dreaming of being the Champions or at least top 6. You are not thinking hmmm maybe at the end of the season our balance sheet might look poorly. That's exactly my point You live with hope in your heart going into a season But afterwards you make an evidenced based analysis on whether or not it's been a success Same goes for Chairmen. As it stands, with current performance, this chairman will not go down well in history at all. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1961OWL Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I worked in Azerbaijan in 2018. No one there had ever heard of Sheffield Wednesday. When I showed them a picture of the sponsored shirt they were genuinely surprised. When I mentioned Mammadov’s name my interpreter burst out laughing and told me he was no where near as rich as we thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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