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How can crap like that be posted and not influence the outcome?

 

I'd guess we are in the clear otherwise you would not be able to talk about a case in such detail before it is concluded

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So basically if we are charged or not charged it won’t be the end of the matter because the losing side would challenge the decision. It’s all going to drag on a lot longer. EFL really seem to have a bee in their bonnet in regards to us, surely they must be confident in their “evidence”, which is worrying. 

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12 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said:

So basically if we are charged or not charged it won’t be the end of the matter because the losing side would challenge the decision. It’s all going to drag on a lot longer. EFL really seem to have a bee in their bonnet in regards to us, surely they must be confident in their “evidence”, which is worrying. 

True. Birmingham got away with it but now the efl are appealing the ‘not guilty’ verdict....

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He does make a valid point 're the paperwork. We either have a letter or email saying we can sell/buy the ground and allocate the profits in the relevant year and the EFL were happy or we don't.  If we just relied on a phone call saying it'll be reyt, well we are stuffed.

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2 hours ago, Dot said:

How can crap like that be posted and not influence the outcome?

 

I'd guess we are in the clear otherwise you would not be able to talk about a case in such detail before it is concluded

 

What does the article actually state that isn't in the public domain already though? It doesn't answer any questions that have been clarified either, states witnesses will be key but doesn't allude to who either side is likely to call on, doesn't say when it is likely to be or how long it is likely to take and infers that the losing side is likely to appeal, thus dragging it on further. 

The only thing it does real reveal that wasn't widely known is that the arbitration case has 'gone out of the window' - it doesn't state when that happened or reveal how any decision in that respect was formed.

 

1 hour ago, Drewswfc said:

What's he on about when he says "the arbitration case as gone out of the window"? First I've heard

 

Indeed!

When the charges against the individuals were dropped there was mention of the case against the club proceeding to hearing but if that meant that part of the arbitration was thrown out I would have expected someone to report on it in detail. 

The Yorkshire Post suggested at the time that the club case was still at arbitration stage:

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/efl-decision-could-signal-good-news-sheffield-wednesday-2505095

 

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DC is sending the monks. Won't find more upstanding peeps than dem monks. They've sworn a vow of silence too, which should work in our favour. 

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17 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

Dont think that people work like that. They do. Spent a lot of time on Merseyside there are a lot of them with a huge grudge against us.

The post was About Rick Parry,to believe that "he" carries/has a grudge against us is IMO ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, WalthamOwl said:

So basically if we are charged or not charged it won’t be the end of the matter because the losing side would challenge the decision. It’s all going to drag on a lot longer. EFL really seem to have a bee in their bonnet in regards to us, surely they must be confident in their “evidence”, which is worrying. 

"They" and "you" were confident of the "charges" for misconduct being held up,they don't charge without foundation/facts...................how did that go for em.

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8 hours ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

Cant help but thinking that Scouser Rick Parry would love to do Wednesday some damage as payback for something that happened in 1989.

Absolutely, he has just begged for us to sell our ground at an inflated price to a non existen company Chansiri owns and fudge it into accounts from 2 years ago.

If you want someone to blame look no further than Clueless and Stuffing Boy.

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13 minutes ago, Blue and white said:

Absolutely, he has just begged for us to sell our ground at an inflated price to a non existen company Chansiri owns and fudge it into accounts from 2 years ago.

If you want someone to blame look no further than Clueless and Stuffing Boy.

All Im saying is that if somebody with such huge connections to the red side of Merseyside gets a chance to give us a kicking they will take great pleasure in doing it. Ive worked in that neck of the woods and know how they operate over there.

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8 hours ago, Harrysgame said:

He does make a valid point 're the paperwork. We either have a letter or email saying we can sell/buy the ground and allocate the profits in the relevant year and the EFL were happy or we don't.  If we just relied on a phone call saying it'll be reyt, well we are stuffed.

Obviously any paper work confirming the arrangement was ok would have the case sewn up. But, if say there was corroborating evidence to support a verbal “go ahead” it may carry a lot of weight. If say the conversation was via a conference call and there were several parties witness to it, and may be the inaction of the EFL in the early stages, despite being aware of what was happening, gave Wednesday the impression it was ok. Maybe the EFL had a duty to step in earlier and prevent the action rather than   just sitting there and watch us break the rules, making them partially responsible. We must have a case otherwise the lawyers we’ve hired would advise us to plead mercy.

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1 hour ago, bigdan2003 said:

EFL should be doing what they can to patch things up with the numerous clubs they’re at war with....because over the coming months they’re going to need some of these rich owners on side. 

They’re certainly going to have to be careful when it comes to punishments. We live in interesting times. Club finances will be very shaky and they can’t be seen by their actions to be pushing clubs into liquidation. It may be embargo will be the way to go rather than a huge points penalty that virtually guarantees relegation or a big fine.  And if it is points when the fizz do they impose it given the uncertainties about this season. Minefield. 

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The EFL are just puppets for the likes of Middlesbrough and Hull who could escape relegation if we lose. 

EFL have to keep going with this even though they probably know they are on a loser - just to be able to say to these clubs 'we prosecuted this to the maximum of our ability'.

If they don't, the likes of Gibson will sue EFL for not following their own procedures.

And would possibly win.

So don't assume that EFL have cast iron evidence that we did wrong. 

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