Kevan Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 My view is that deferring their pay is nowhere near good enough. They should be taking a cut - 30% of their annual pay has been mentioned by the Premier League and that seems fair to me, - perhaps with an agreement on a lower level of slary , below which the 30% just won't apply. That would recognise the lower league players that don't earn so much. Let's be honest - if these guys (players) have managed their money properly, they own't have to work again after their playing days are over, so 30% of one year's pay is not going to affect them too adversely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, kobayashi said: Exactly-it’s not complicated. You’re basically implying that they can’t be furloughed because then they wouldn’t have a duty to train from home because they’re instructed to. But surely even if the club didn’t tell them to they will want to keep fit because if they pile the weight on they won’t have a career to come back to Im sure there are other reasons relating to their contracts being different to normal employment contracts or them being financial assets as the reasons why nobody has furloughed players but I don’t think it’s anything to do with training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, kobayashi said: Exactly-it’s not complicated. Its not, just don't give them instructions, anyone who goes to a gym regularly or trains in any way will be doing their best to continue, difference being they wont have quite the same equipment in their home gym Edit - Didn't see the above post before I made mine Edited April 5, 2020 by the third man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, scram said: Players could continue to train. Just not under instruction of their club Absolutely nothing at all to stop them exercising 4 minutes ago, the third man said: Its not, just don't give them instructions, anyone who goes to a gym regularly or trains in any way will be doing their best to continue, difference being they wont have quite the same equipment in their home gym Edit - Didn't see the above post before I made mine Its all very well saying this but if football does return at some point and some players have dedicated more time to their personal fitness than others then the teams that have kept players to a specific regime will undoubtedly be in a better position to resume. As things stand clubs are remotely monitoring the fitness of the players which wouldn't be compulsory if furloughed. Besides which, in addition to them effectively working from home it seems there are other elements of their contracts which prevent them from being furloughed in this way and also the tax implications of a significant amount of income tax that helps to fund the country at this time potentially being lost. This all forms part of the ongoing discussions between the PL, EFL and PFA though I do think the PFA are trying to be too lenient towards their members from the reports that have come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, Weshallovercome said: I had an answer to the tax argument this morning when I first read it, but it's been a while and can't remember what it is now:) But I hadn't considered the 40 x 2500, it's a good point. Suppose it all comes back to the players, in an ideal world it would be nice to see them volunteer to pay the non-playing staff themselves. In this, we are lucky are owner has money and can make sure the non playing staff are paid in full. If he hadn't I am sure the players would have stepped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just pointing out that players can continue to exercise if furloughed And all players will know appropriate exercise regimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, pazowl55 said: Says there they think Chansiri paying non playing staff in full. but I thought we furloughed them ? Possible DC is topping up the 80% back up to 20% from his pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, scram said: Just pointing out that players can continue to exercise if furloughed And all players will know appropriate exercise regimes What is an “appropriate exercise regime” ? I’m guessing not a 10 min jog around the block but instead one which is commensurate with being a professional athlete. A professional athlete following an “appropriate exercise regime” is doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I understand all players were given a self training programme to do at home + a system of the clubs trainers to keep tabs on their progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, scram said: Just pointing out that players can continue to exercise if furloughed And all players will know appropriate exercise regimes Knowing it and sticking to it are two different things, especially if you are furloughed and therefore under no obligation to stick to it strictly and no obligation to be monitored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, kobayashi said: What is an “appropriate exercise regime” ? I’m guessing not a 10 min jog around the block but instead one which is commensurate with being a professional athlete. A professional athlete following an “appropriate exercise regime” is doing his job. You are wrong. Totally wrong Furlough means you cannot do any work for that company It does not mean the person cannot do things related to their line of work For e.g. if an accountant is furloughed they cannot work for their company but they can take online accountancy qualifications etc. Footballers can exercise under the guise of personal development That is fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: Knowing it and sticking to it are two different things, especially if you are furloughed and therefore under no obligation to stick to it strictly and no obligation to be monitored. Well obviously that's down to the individual If they wanna binge watch Netflix eating kebabs and drinking beer on the sofa for a month then that's up to them Just pointing out the fact they will be allowed to exercise at an appropriate level should they wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, scram said: You are wrong. Totally wrong Furlough means you cannot do any work for that company It does not mean the person cannot do things related to their line of work For e.g. if an accountant is furloughed they cannot work for their company but they can take online accountancy qualifications etc. Footballers can exercise under the guise of personal development That is fact Can't have their fitness regularly monitored by their employer though. Of course I wouldn't expect the vast majority to down tools and binge out but small margins make a difference as and when football does return and as has been said this is only a small part of the reason they wont be furloughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, scram said: You are wrong. Totally wrong Furlough means you cannot do any work for that company It does not mean the person cannot do things related to their line of work For e.g. if an accountant is furloughed they cannot work for their company but they can take online accountancy qualifications etc. Footballers can exercise under the guise of personal development That is fact A professional athletes training to a professional standard is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, kobayashi said: A professional athletes training to a professional standard is working. If he is out on the football or training pitches it would be. You telling me he cant kick the ball in his back garden. Or set up his own personalised fitness plan in his home gym. Course he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, scram said: Well obviously that's down to the individual If they wanna binge watch Netflix eating kebabs and drinking beer on the sofa for a month then that's up to them Just pointing out the fact they will be allowed to exercise at an appropriate level should they wish Our players have all been given exercise programmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Our players have all been given exercise programmes. Ditto every other professional clubs players They will also be monitored remotely and have to exercise a set amount of days and sessions per week If furloughed then all that would stop but what the player chooses to do voluntarily for themselves and without club direction or contact is up to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, kobayashi said: A professional athletes training to a professional standard is working. For themself - yes Totally allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 You'd think most of our players will have the requisite equipment and space to carry out their exercise regimes in full...in fact they almost certainly will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 It's looking like we're unlikely to see many of the players, whose contract's expire on 30 June, again. Be interesting to see how the football world will deal with these contracts, if they say football will start in July to finish the season off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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