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Although, to go against my previous post, the precedent of a season being called off with about 8 games left to go did happen in Chile last year (due to the social protests taking up the vast majority of police resources, and also increasingly the football was an outlet for the protests).

 

They went down the current position = final position route, there was a similar situation in that the team in 1st (Universidad Catolica) was miles out in front, although not mathematically champions. They were awarded the trophy. For the relegation, this was contentious, as one of the two biggest clubs in Chile (Universidad de Chile) was in 17th place (out of 18, bottom 2 go down normally). Although there were a cluster of teams on similar points at the bottom. They decided to scrap relegation for that season and allow two teams from the second division to join the league, expanding the league to 20 teams.

 

The Cup competition had reached the semi-final stage and was played to a finish at the start of the next season. Rather than play the matches in Santiago (all 4 clubs in the semis were from Santiago) they were played well away from the capital in order to minimise violence. (A precedent for some horrible, money-spinning, end to the FA Cup in the summer in Saudi Arabia, or Qatar, on some spurious 'safety' grounds? They played the Spanish Super Cup in the MIddle East last year).

 

This is where it all starts to get a bit silly, as Universidad de Chile, as well as being in 17th place, were in the semi-finals of the Cup, they still had a chance to qualify for the continental competition. The winner of the Cup in Chile goes into the Copa Libertadores, not the second-tier Cup like in Europe. Their semi-final opponents, Union Espanola, insisted that as the highest placed league team left in the cup competition they should automatically get the place (they were 9th, but the other semi-final was 1st vs 2nd who had already qualified). The league disagreed and told them to play the match. Union Espanola refused, and Universidad de Chile were awarded a walk-over 3-0 win, and subsequently got through to the final (where they were thumped), but as a result qualified for Copa Libertadores.

 

A bit long-winded, but illustrates some of the legal wrangling that might ensue should they go down this route for next season.

 

 

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China is the time machine.

 

They are the country who are 3 months ahead and what happens there will happen everywhere in time.

 

So essentially they have managed to stop new transmissions or cases within the country. But, as they opened borders and travel again. They had 45 new cases come in from abroad. These were mostly Chinese people returning home.

 

So they are panicking again...as they know it's only a matter of time before it spreads again. 

 

And it will.

 

Essentially, until a proper vaccine is found. This doesn't go away. Not unless every one catches it, recovers or dies, and thus become immune (if you recover).

 

But then as we've seen with flu, these things mutate and change all the time hence the annual flu jab.

 

Football is living in cloud cuckoo land if they think the season starts again this year. 

 

Unless the vaccine is developed/found  really soon we are screwed. Our one hope us that existing medicines may be found to work..a few are showing promising results.

 

If it has to be a brand new vaccine created it will take years to develop and test and get the approvals needed for mass production and dissemination worldwide.

 

So yeah....were screwed.

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5 hours ago, Mystic Neg said:

 

Looks like we are aligned. The time to be creative with any future league formats is when you know it can start again. 

 

Using 2 months of when you can start again to finish this current set of games may be beneficial and may not be but it's fair. 

 

All the people saying void the season would be spitting feathers at the suggestion if we were in any of the top 8 places, they be foaming at the mouth if we were in either of the top 2 places 6 or 7 points clear after a 20 year wait. 

Yeah but we aren't so it's fine. 

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It’s getting ridiculous now, we are rightly being warned that these restrictions may be in place for another 6 months or longer, and yet the football authorities still warble on about looking at things at the end of next month. They need to cancel all competitions now, in line with what they’ve done with non league football, and start planning for next season 

That way, it’s fair for everybody. All clubs will start in the competitions they qualified for this season To talk about sport restarting while so many are suffering, is actually quite distasteful 

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1 hour ago, gurujuan said:

It’s getting ridiculous now, we are rightly being warned that these restrictions may be in place for another 6 months or longer, and yet the football authorities still warble on about looking at things at the end of next month. They need to cancel all competitions now, in line with what they’ve done with non league football, and start planning for next season 

That way, it’s fair for everybody. All clubs will start in the competitions they qualified for this season To talk about sport restarting while so many are suffering, is actually quite distasteful 

Agree completely. Especially the last sentence. League Cup is completed so should stand. Everything else should be expunged. Why does football and footballers think they are different from the rest of society? Hundreds are dying, livelihoods have been destroyed. Have some dignity and respect and end the season now.

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32 minutes ago, 31Dec1966 said:

Agree completely. Especially the last sentence. League Cup is completed so should stand. Everything else should be expunged. Why does football and footballers think they are different from the rest of society? Hundreds are dying, livelihoods have been destroyed. Have some dignity and respect and end the season now.

If and when the football restarts and that's a BIG IF, can any one see that we'll still have 4 divisions in a few months time ? given the present emergency,the lockdown is going to last at least 6 months maybe longer.WTF:

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We get a 21 point deduction.

 

Then the season gets voided.

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28 minutes ago, parkfieldowl14 said:

If and when the football restarts and that's a BIG IF, can any one see that we'll still have 4 divisions in a few months time ? given the present emergency,the lockdown is going to last at least 6 months maybe longer.WTF:

It's a good point. We could see lots of teams go under.

 

Even at Championship level. 

 

There could well be a complete overhaul of leagues after this. 

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3 minutes ago, trev said:

It's a good point. We could see lots of teams go under.

 

Even at Championship level. 

 

There could well be a complete overhaul of leagues after this. 

Top 2 divisions plus L1 and L2 splitting into L1/L2  North and South and also going PT.that's the only Football going to survive now.:tango:

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3 hours ago, gurujuan said:

It’s getting ridiculous now, we are rightly being warned that these restrictions may be in place for another 6 months or longer, and yet the football authorities still warble on about looking at things at the end of next month. They need to cancel all competitions now, in line with what they’ve done with non league football, and start planning for next season 

That way, it’s fair for everybody. All clubs will start in the competitions they qualified for this season To talk about sport restarting while so many are suffering, is actually quite distasteful 

 

Absolutely spot on.

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6 hours ago, trev said:

China is the time machine.

 

They are the country who are 3 months ahead and what happens there will happen everywhere in time.

 

So essentially they have managed to stop new transmissions or cases within the country. But, as they opened borders and travel again. They had 45 new cases come in from abroad. These were mostly Chinese people returning home.

 

So they are panicking again...as they know it's only a matter of time before it spreads again. 

 

And it will.

 

Essentially, until a proper vaccine is found. This doesn't go away. Not unless every one catches it, recovers or dies, and thus become immune (if you recover).

 

But then as we've seen with flu, these things mutate and change all the time hence the annual flu jab.

 

Football is living in cloud cuckoo land if they think the season starts again this year. 

 

Unless the vaccine is developed/found  really soon we are screwed. Our one hope us that existing medicines may be found to work..a few are showing promising results.

 

If it has to be a brand new vaccine created it will take years to develop and test and get the approvals needed for mass production and dissemination worldwide.

 

So yeah....were screwed.

Won’t take years

And pretty soon existing medicine will be proved effective. To some extent.

 

I agree however that the season should end now.

 

What scares me is the mental fallout of all this. Homes destroyed, businesses destroyed. It will be too much to bear for a lot of people 

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6 hours ago, trev said:

China is the time machine.

 

They are the country who are 3 months ahead and what happens there will happen everywhere in time.

 

So essentially they have managed to stop new transmissions or cases within the country. But, as they opened borders and travel again. They had 45 new cases come in from abroad. These were mostly Chinese people returning home.

 

So they are panicking again...as they know it's only a matter of time before it spreads again. 

 

And it will.

 

Essentially, until a proper vaccine is found. This doesn't go away. Not unless every one catches it, recovers or dies, and thus become immune (if you recover).

 

But then as we've seen with flu, these things mutate and change all the time hence the annual flu jab.

 

Football is living in cloud cuckoo land if they think the season starts again this year. 

 

Unless the vaccine is developed/found  really soon we are screwed. Our one hope us that existing medicines may be found to work..a few are showing promising results.

 

If it has to be a brand new vaccine created it will take years to develop and test and get the approvals needed for mass production and dissemination worldwide.

 

So yeah....were screwed.

would you be a glass half empty person or a glass half full ?

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Apologies if already mentioned. Will the players need another pre season when they eventually come back? They can hardly keep themselves match fit with 1 jog per day for 3 months

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We finish this season off no matter how long it takes. 

 

Then we can think about the next season, or half a season, or even no season.

 

But we finish what we have started.

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If it was us in the promotion places, we'd be going mental if it looked like we were going to be denied.

But it's not us.

It's Liverpool, Pigs and Leeds.

Which is flipping hilarious. I'd wee wee myself laughing.

And I've got a massive flipping horse wee pipe too.

That's a lot of wee wee and a lot of laughing.

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10 minutes ago, Highbury Owl said:

We finish this season off no matter how long it takes. 

 

Then we can think about the next season, or half a season, or even no season.

 

But we finish what we have started.

Wanna bet? 

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7 hours ago, trev said:

China is the time machine.

 

They are the country who are 3 months ahead and what happens there will happen everywhere in time.

 

So essentially they have managed to stop new transmissions or cases within the country. But, as they opened borders and travel again. They had 45 new cases come in from abroad. These were mostly Chinese people returning home.

 

So they are panicking again...as they know it's only a matter of time before it spreads again. 

 

And it will.

 

Essentially, until a proper vaccine is found. This doesn't go away. Not unless every one catches it, recovers or dies, and thus become immune (if you recover).

 

But then as we've seen with flu, these things mutate and change all the time hence the annual flu jab.

 

Football is living in cloud cuckoo land if they think the season starts again this year. 

 

Unless the vaccine is developed/found  really soon we are screwed. Our one hope us that existing medicines may be found to work..a few are showing promising results.

 

If it has to be a brand new vaccine created it will take years to develop and test and get the approvals needed for mass production and dissemination worldwide.

 

So yeah....were screwed.

We will have at least 6 months of CV19, so just call a end to the season and be done, void end of.

This is the greatest disaster since WW2 and indiscriminate as to who gets it. China is almost a totalitarian state so has looked to have managed well. We are a democracy and as such it will take us longer as we follow the niceties like the rule of law and civil rights.

No agenda on this even if we end up going down so what the club will exist and play again, unfortunately some on here I guess may not be around to watch us..

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7 minutes ago, Highbury Owl said:

We finish this season off no matter how long it takes. 

 

Then we can think about the next season, or half a season, or even no season.

 

But we finish what we have started.

I don’t think that we should.

We need to accept the incredible gravity of what is unfolding around us, put the health and well-being of the fans, players, staff and general public at the top of our priorities and put our focus on helping to beat this virus.

To be quite honest I don’t even think about football now and I am a TOTALLY obsessed Wednesdayite.

We can come back to football when it is safe to do so.

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11 minutes ago, Highbury Owl said:

We finish this season off no matter how long it takes. 

 

Then we can think about the next season, or half a season, or even no season.

 

But we finish what we have started.

 

If it goes past the end of June you cant finish what was started because teams will not have the same players

 

and the leagues might not have the same teams as clubs could go bust

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It wont finish imo...only fair way is to finalise the league after each team played each other once

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