daleblue Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: Legal proceedings are not openly discussed for obvious reasons Not charges, these are not confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, PARKOWL said: Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that the owner hasn't been charged as they saw it as a way of getting rid of him Couldn’t care less about Chansiri or the other individuals. As a fan the only thing that matters is the club against which the charges are proceeding. If proven it is the club and the fans that will have to take the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, daleblue said: Not charges, these are not confidential. It depends on what restrictions (if any) have been applied for/placed upon the proceedings etc by the respective organisations involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, PARKOWL said: Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that the owner hasn't been charged as they saw it as a way of getting rid of him Read some of the numerous threads about him, and how he's gotten "away" with what ever he's supposed to have done. Then make your mind up. Edited March 23, 2020 by BARMYARMY2010 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PARKOWL said: Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that the owner hasn't been charged as they saw it as a way of getting rid of him Not me. He's put a huge amount of money in. Yes he's made lots of big mistakes but i don't want to see him fail, for his benefit as well as ours. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that there is nobody on here that is gutted that the owner hasn't been charged? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that there is nobody on here that is gutted that the owner hasn't been charged? Genuinely (gutted) question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that there is nobody on here that is gutted that the owner hasn't been charged? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, PARKOWL said: no Agreed to disagree Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devonshire owl Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Don't know if it's been covered in another thread,will they be entitled to cost against the EFL.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, devonshire owl said: Don't know if it's been covered in another thread,will they be entitled to cost against the EFL.? Normally arrangements regarding costs are part of an arbitration agreement drawn up between the parties at the outset of proceedings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 18 hours ago, darra said: Which was vastly reduced on appeal to something like 20 and they were given something like 5 years to pay it. A friend of mine who has experience in sports finance said if you want somebody to fight your case he's one of the best and the EFL wouldn't have been happy to know we'd hired him. Either way if it is him he's managed to get 75% of the charges dropped so far. Err, nope it wasn't reduced they ' settled' out of court for £40m /38m depending on what paper you read. You can't appeal an agreed settlment...though you are right on one point...they have a few years to pay. No idea if he is good, average or shyte...there are only a couple of barristers in the UK who specialise in sports law....so best bet, he is best available.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, sherlyegg said: Err, nope it wasn't reduced they ' settled' out of court for £40m /38m depending on what paper you read. You can't appeal an agreed settlment...though you are right on one point...they have a few years to pay. No idea if he is good, average or shyte...there are only a couple of barristers in the UK who specialise in sports law....so best bet, he is best available.. There was no civil "court" case, the dispute was with the EFL and their arbitration decision, Qpr appealed the arbitration "fine", their appeal was dismissed, only then did qpr agree to not carry on appealing, and agreed the "settlement" and length of time to pay. Edited March 23, 2020 by BARMYARMY2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: There was no civil "court" case, That's why i put 'settled' in quotes..though i ought to have also put court in quotes... Though they never went to court, cos they 'settled' before going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, sherlyegg said: That's why i put 'settled' in quotes..though i ought to have also put court in quotes... Though they never went to court, cos they 'settled' before going there. The EFL don't take you to court for anything,QPR settled their financial issues with football people,it wouldn't have ever gone to court,because it wasn't an outside football issue,the FA/EFL Have disciplinary/arbitration panels for their "rules & regulations" only,not law of the land rules/regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 hours ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: The EFL don't take you to court for anything,QPR settled their financial issues with football people,it wouldn't have ever gone to court,because it wasn't an outside football issue,the FA/EFL Have disciplinary/arbitration panels for their "rules & regulations" only,not law of the land rules/regs. This could run and run ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 6 hours ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: The EFL don't take you to court for anything,QPR settled their financial issues with football people,it wouldn't have ever gone to court,because it wasn't an outside football issue,the FA/EFL Have disciplinary/arbitration panels for their "rules & regulations" only,not law of the land rules/regs. Fair point, but QPR broke EFL rules. What rule have we broken? We submitted accounts showing a profit for the period keeping us within FFP limits. This included a transaction, discussed with and agreed by EFL to sell the stadium (again breaking no rules). This transaction was subject to an independent, professional valuation and the accounts signed off by professional auditors, furthermore they were ratified by EFL and sanctions (transfer embargo) lifted. Consequently, we've not exceeded FFP unless EFL somehow exclude this transaction from the accounts, successfully arguing that their apparent verbal and written agreement wasn't valid and at least two sets of professional organisations, surveyor and auditor were incompetent. I wouldn't put anything past EFL, but it's a big ask to rescind their authority retrospectively and disagree with multiple specialist professionals assessment of the transaction and accounts without strong, compelling evidence. If they had this evidence, suspect this would have been concluded by now. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, striker said: Fair point, but QPR broke EFL rules. What rule have we broken? We submitted accounts showing a profit for the period keeping us within FFP limits. This included a transaction, discussed with and agreed by EFL to sell the stadium (again breaking no rules). This transaction was subject to an independent, professional valuation and the accounts signed off by professional auditors, furthermore they were ratified by EFL and sanctions (transfer embargo) lifted. Consequently, we've not exceeded FFP unless EFL somehow exclude this transaction from the accounts, successfully arguing that their apparent verbal and written agreement wasn't valid and at least two sets of professional organisations, surveyor and auditor were incompetent. I wouldn't put anything past EFL, but it's a big ask to rescind their authority retrospectively and disagree with multiple specialist professionals assessment of the transaction and accounts without strong, compelling evidence. If they had this evidence, suspect this would have been concluded by now. I've defended the club from the get go from all the "spurious" claims by the "owlstalk" posse who claimed with absolute certainty that Chansiri,Meire,Redgate and the club were for wants of a better word "guilty" of their charges,no ifs,no buts,no maybe's,Chansiri was gunna be banned from football by the "authorities",we (swfc) were gunna be hit with an unprecedented points deduction,potentially relegated two divisions,followed by administration (even some claimed that Chansiri had spent all Daddy's money)just because the "owlstalk" posse said so........the misconduct charge has been dismissed against the three individuals,so now all the"owlstalk" posse have is the EFL's potential FFP Rule break by swfc,which even that is looking spurious,because like you and others have said,swfc made a profit within the three year period................gunna be an interesting one innit . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, striker said: Fair point, but QPR broke EFL rules. What rule have we broken? We submitted accounts showing a profit for the period keeping us within FFP limits. This included a transaction, discussed with and agreed by EFL to sell the stadium (again breaking no rules). This transaction was subject to an independent, professional valuation and the accounts signed off by professional auditors, furthermore they were ratified by EFL and sanctions (transfer embargo) lifted. Consequently, we've not exceeded FFP unless EFL somehow exclude this transaction from the accounts, successfully arguing that their apparent verbal and written agreement wasn't valid and at least two sets of professional organisations, surveyor and auditor were incompetent. I wouldn't put anything past EFL, but it's a big ask to rescind their authority retrospectively and disagree with multiple specialist professionals assessment of the transaction and accounts without strong, compelling evidence. If they had this evidence, suspect this would have been concluded by now. That's been pretty much my view from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, striker said: Consequently, we've not exceeded FFP unless EFL somehow exclude this transaction from the accounts, successfully arguing that their apparent verbal and written agreement wasn't valid and at least two sets of professional organisations, surveyor and auditor were incompetent. And Chansiri would have been guilty of misconduct had this been the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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