kingsidney Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: You wanted promotion Weak sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, Royal_D said: So to charge the club Chansiri must’ve fiddled the accounts ? Because if he didn’t how have we failed FFP on the given set of accounts ? But he’s not guilty of misconduct ? Come on This is why it's still confusing. Regular FFP breach would be against the club alone but as it stands we showed a small profit. The only way it's technically voided by the EFL is if misconduct has occured to get there and that looks to be answerable by individuals only not the club and now all are cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, Striggy said: I thought max was 12 points, with 9 possible for the misconduct charges. Think these are the ones now dropped so assume back to max of 12, but someone on here will know and clarify As far as I can see we are back to club specific charges for FFP breach which is 12 points Max. Although again right now we haven't breached FFP unless misconduct is proven and they've just dropped that part. Club itself can't commit misconduct afaik. Be interesting to see what info comes out at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, soldierboyblue said: Most acquaintances Sounds like your acquainted with some interesting characters.,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) It would help to clear things up if the Club was to produce a statement outlining all charges brought against us and which of those charges have been successfully defended against, and which charges have also been dropped by the EFL, and what charges are still outstanding. Edited March 22, 2020 by daleblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, daleblue said: It would help to clear things up if the Club was to produce a statement outlining all charges brought against us and which of those charges have been successfully defended against, and which charges have also been dropped by the EFL, and what charges are still outstanding. Would be nice, don’t think the EFL are fans of too much ‘clarity’ though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: Would be nice, don’t think the EFL are fans of too much ‘clarity’ though Yep, this is a prob, no clarity for the fans, why so much conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Only time will tell but to initially charge individuals as well as the club then withdraw the charges on the individuals suggests that the EFL’s case isn’t as strong as they thought it was? If they proceeded to then withdraw the case against the club then it would be extremely embarrassing for them even though there has to be a strong chance they’ll lose this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: Sounds like your acquainted with some interesting characters.,, And can they get me any industrial bags of pasta ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, SiJ said: According to that er Maguire fella, we have the best lawyers in the business...so make of that what you will. Who honestly knows. I think the main takeaway is, even if we are found innocent and not docked points, we should have never, ever got ourselves into this mess in the first place. Yes, FFP is a pain in the arse, but we have been fully aware of the rules for years now, so much so that we tried to circumvent them...but did so in such a seemingly botched manner that we've ended up facing a potential 21 points deduction. That is a failure of leadership and management, irrespective of the outcome of the independent hearing. He's one of the best sports QCs around. https://www.blackstonechambers.com/barristers/nick-de-marco/ EMAIL PRINT FRIENDLY PDF SHORTLIST SHARE CONTACT CLERK “A good advocate with a particularly impressive football practice.” Legal 500, 2019 “Extremely good on sports-related litigation matters and has a thorough knowledge of the football regulatory provisions at all levels.” Chambers and Partners, 2019 “An outstanding practitioner and leading advocate with a widely held reputation at the Bar for being the foremost expert on football regulatory issues.” Chambers and Partners, 2019 “literally wrote the book on football law.” Legal 500, 2018 “He's excellent at cross-examination and he has real gravitas and presence” Chambers UK, 2017 “He is truly exceptional all round, knows the area inside-out, is good on the law and is good in court” Chambers UK, 2017 Year of call: 2001 Appointed to Silk: 2018 Degree: LLB (Lond), First Class, (Scholarship: Jules Thorn Scholar, Middle Temple) Nick is ranked as one of the leading barristers in Sports Law. He regularly acts for sports governing bodies, players, clubs, sponsors, broadcasters and agents. He is the ‘go to’ barrister in disputes in football in particular, whether commercial or regulatory. In addition to his busy sports practise, he is experienced in Commercial, Employment and Media law. Nick is recognised as one of the leading sports lawyers in the UK by all of the legal directories. Ranked as one of the top 3 Most Highly Regarded Sports Law Silks in the UK by Who’s Who Legal 2019. Nick is authorised to accept instructions directly from lay clients through the Direct Public Access scheme. Nick is a director of the British Association for Sport and the Law (BASL). Edited March 22, 2020 by darra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 hours ago, darra said: He's one of the best sports QCs around. https://www.blackstonechambers.com/barristers/nick-de-marco/ EMAIL PRINT FRIENDLY PDF SHORTLIST SHARE CONTACT CLERK “A good advocate with a particularly impressive football practice.” Legal 500, 2019 “Extremely good on sports-related litigation matters and has a thorough knowledge of the football regulatory provisions at all levels.” Chambers and Partners, 2019 “An outstanding practitioner and leading advocate with a widely held reputation at the Bar for being the foremost expert on football regulatory issues.” Chambers and Partners, 2019 “literally wrote the book on football law.” Legal 500, 2018 “He's excellent at cross-examination and he has real gravitas and presence” Chambers UK, 2017 “He is truly exceptional all round, knows the area inside-out, is good on the law and is good in court” Chambers UK, 2017 Year of call: 2001 Appointed to Silk: 2018 Degree: LLB (Lond), First Class, (Scholarship: Jules Thorn Scholar, Middle Temple) Nick is ranked as one of the leading barristers in Sports Law. He regularly acts for sports governing bodies, players, clubs, sponsors, broadcasters and agents. He is the ‘go to’ barrister in disputes in football in particular, whether commercial or regulatory. In addition to his busy sports practise, he is experienced in Commercial, Employment and Media law. Nick is recognised as one of the leading sports lawyers in the UK by all of the legal directories. Ranked as one of the top 3 Most Highly Regarded Sports Law Silks in the UK by Who’s Who Legal 2019. Nick is authorised to accept instructions directly from lay clients through the Direct Public Access scheme. Nick is a director of the British Association for Sport and the Law (BASL). He’s not listing us on his list of cases (either in progress or concluded) whereas previously we were listed. Not sure if there’s a reason for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: He’s not listing us on his list of cases (either in progress or concluded) whereas previously we were listed. Not sure if there’s a reason for it? That's an article from a while ago. He's the one who represented us so i was told and as you can see he's the dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, darra said: That's an article from a while ago. He's the one who represented us so i was told and as you can see he's the dogs. He worked on the qpr case...they were fined £40m plus embargo, the largest fine in football ever . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, sherlyegg said: He worked on the qpr case...they were fined £40m plus embargo, the largest fine in football ever . Which was vastly reduced on appeal to something like 20 and they were given something like 5 years to pay it. A friend of mine who has experience in sports finance said if you want somebody to fight your case he's one of the best and the EFL wouldn't have been happy to know we'd hired him. Either way if it is him he's managed to get 75% of the charges dropped so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: He’s not listing us on his list of cases (either in progress or concluded) whereas previously we were listed. Not sure if there’s a reason for it? Heard that Chansiri wants to be more hands on, so has sacked matey, what could go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that the owner hasn't been charged as they saw it as a way of getting rid of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 22/03/2020 at 12:27, daleblue said: Yep, this is a prob, no clarity for the fans, why so much conjecture. Legal proceedings are not openly discussed for obvious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, PARKOWL said: Genuine Question Are there people on here genuinely gutted that the owner hasn't been charged as they saw it as a way of getting rid of him No Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: No i will agree to disagree - plenty on here want to see him fall flat on his face come what way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: i will agree to disagree - plenty on here want to see him fall flat on his face come what way Not sure that's true but like you say agree to disagree Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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