BREAKING: All games suspended until 3 April "at the earliest" [Update: full EFL statement in OP]

[cognacbarnowl 4,346]

1 hour ago, prowl said:

I don't trust the government either but I don't want to believe scaremongering either. A neighbour told me some fanciful tale he'd heard on some fake media site. I won't repeat it, it was nonesense. There will be attempts to spread misinformation, ignore them.

 

I wish the govermnment hadn't stopped testing except in hospitals. It's only by testing that we can get an accurate handle on this thing. Give people accurate information and people will generally behave sensibly.

 

I think the government is behind the curve on this thing and are being forced to take action to catch up because the people are showing the way.

 

I wouldn't trust Boris to run a whelk stall. (I'm not political in any way, I don't trust Corbyn either)

 

 

I agree with,"the people are showing the way", prowl. Here in Dingle we are a huge tourist town and this weekend and next week are one of the biggest of the year financially.

 

Paddy's Day is absolutely huge, but the town has taken the decision to close down all the pubs and restaurants for a minimum of six weeks. It's going to be financial Armageddon for some businesses, but the government here are being kinda slow to react too. And if you think the NHS is in a poor way, you should take a scan at our health service.

[@owlstalk 17,784]

 

Someone who has had it 

[Animis 4,918]

13 minutes ago, cognacbarnowl said:

 

 

I agree with,"the people are showing the way", prowl. Here in Dingle we are a huge tourist town and this weekend and next week are one of the biggest of the year financially.

 

Paddy's Day is absolutely huge, but the town has taken the decision to close down all the pubs and restaurants for a minimum of six weeks. It's going to be financial Armageddon for some businesses, but the government here are being kinda slow to react too. And if you think the NHS is in a poor way, you should take a scan at our health service.

 

They've just announced measures:

 

Irish government asks pubs to close

Ireland's government has called for the closure of all pubs and bars in the country from this evening "until at least 29 March".

In a statement, it also called on members of the public to refrain from organising or going to parties "in private houses or other venues which would put other people's health at risk".

[Salmonbones 4,224]

5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Someone who has had it 

 

I've seen and read about 20 instances of people who have had it - all confirmed.   Whilst some seem similar, a lot vary so much that i'd still be confused to my own symptoms if say - I had a cold (which I currently do, I believe)  

 

The symptoms and stages seem to vary quite a lot.    

[ChinaOwl 7,276]

Some latest stuff I have picked up from China. A 27 year old male police officer has died in Hubei Province. Official cause of death "overwork" though that is obviously raising questions on social media. The official line coming out of Beijing now is that the disease began in the USA one year ago and was introduced to Wuhan by US military personnel. The CPC have issued a guidance document that has been leaked, though the source cannot be verified because of media restrictions within China. Even after the disease is finally suppressed, the political fallout over this is going to hang around for years. It's frightening to think where it will end.

[Salmonbones 4,224]

2 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said:

Some latest stuff I have picked up from China. A 27 year old male police officer has died in Hubei Province. Official cause of death "overwork" though that is obviously raising questions on social media. The official line coming out of Beijing now is that the disease began in the USA one year ago and was introduced to Wuhan by US military personnel. The CPC have issued a guidance document that has been leaked, though the source cannot be verified because of media restrictions within China. Even after the disease is finally suppressed, the political fallout over this is going to hang around for years. It's frightening to think where it will end.

 

One country has 372 million people, the other has 1.4 billion.

 

Both have around the same land mass.

 

I know where I would say this disease was manufactured.

[ChinaOwl 7,276]

Just now, Salmonbones said:

 

One country has 372 million people, the other has 1.4 billion.

 

Both have around the same land mass.

 

I know where I would say this disease was manufactured.

 

It's political mindgames. The propaganda machine has already gone into overdrive. The blame has to be shifted. 

[S36 OWL 47,747]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

Mid table mediocrity , need to put a run together if we are to make the play offs. 

[torres 11,556]

16 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

 

Mid table mediocrity , need to put a run together if we are to make the play offs. 

Manchester and Nottingham have been banished to the reserves 

 

We’ve got Rotherham in midfield, they do a lot of running but not upto the standard required 

[prowl 9,411]

43 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

 

Mid table mediocrity , need to put a run together if we are to make the play offs. 

This is one case where I would prefer relegation

[ChinaOwl 7,276]

 

Forget the disease, this is going to get nasty on the political front:   Story 4:05 to 8:50.

 

 

 

[parkfieldowl14 3,733]

On 13/03/2020 at 11:06, agentwalker said:

would love it if Liverpool got Denied the championship and Leeds Denied promotion , love it  

Even Better,Toytown still in L1 if and Football resumes.Love to see the look on their faces.

[darklord 11,357]

It's not surviving the virus that worries me it's surviving the problems caused by people with no common sense about the situation. 

 

All this time we were worried about no deal causing food  shortages and closed borders.... 

Edited March 15 by darklord

[tashton 188]

News today is talking about new measures coming in sometime in future asking over 70s and younger people with certain health conditions to self isolate. Anyone know if having high blood pressure is one of these.  I've been on medication for this for years but unsure if I'm on the high risk

[prowl 9,411]

7 minutes ago, tashton said:

News today is talking about new measures coming in sometime in future asking over 70s and younger people with certain health conditions to self isolate. Anyone know if having high blood pressure is one of these.  I've been on medication for this for years but unsure if I'm on the high risk

I don't think anyone knows at this stage.

 

I would imagine that well controled high blood pressure is ok if you keep up with your medication. Mine is very high at present and the doctor is trying different tablets to get it back under control so it is a risk.

 

My rationale is that this infection is putting your system under pressure if there is a problem your body might give up before your immune system finds the right antibodies.

[parkfieldowl14 3,733]

49 minutes ago, darklord said:

It's not surviving the virus that worries me it's surviving the problems caused by people with no common sense about the situation. 

 

All this time we were worried about no deal causing food  shortages and closed borders.... 

Donald Trump is fast turning what is meant to be a Global Health Issue into a potential political standoff with China if he's not careful.

[sheffield_dave 9,256]

The geopolitical fallout from this will be life changing. I said in an earlier post that this was probably the worlds most seismic event since WW2 and I think there will be broadly similar political repercussions from this. 
 

You would hope that the international efforts required to quash this, would shine fresh light on the need for co-operation and peace over isolation and nationalism; especially with climate change still needing to be addressed. In reality I suspect things will entrench even deeper in the opposite direction.

Edited March 15 by sheffield_dave

[darklord 11,357]

7 hours ago, sheffield_dave said:

The geopolitical fallout from this will be life changing. I said in an earlier post that this was probably the worlds most seismic event since WW2 and I think there will be broadly similar political repercussions from this. 
 

You would hope that the international efforts required to quash this, would shine fresh light on the need for co-operation and peace over isolation and nationalism; especially with climate change still needing to be addressed. In reality I suspect things will entrench even deeper in the opposite direction.

 

Agree. I think the economic divebomb will add extra pressure. And christ we have brexit to add on top. Surely extending the transition period should  happen

Edited March 16 by darklord

[The Batman 6,491]

13 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Someone who has had it 

 

Just watching this.

 

Don't know why, but it's making me laugh! 

 

He doesn't half waffle on, and his Wife's looks at him!

 

Just at the bit where he's not pointing fingers but he's basically saying someone that had a cold opened the door for them to catch the virus.

[ChinaOwl 7,276]

8 hours ago, sheffield_dave said:

The geopolitical fallout from this will be life changing. I said in an earlier post that this was probably the worlds most seismic event since WW2 and I think there will be broadly similar political repercussions from this. 
 

You would hope that the international efforts required to quash this, would shine fresh light on the need for co-operation and peace over isolation and nationalism; especially with climate change still needing to be addressed. In reality I suspect things will entrench even deeper in the opposite direction.

 

This is the issue that I am trying to allude to in many posts that might come across as rants aimed at the ruling party in China. Whilst people focus on Trump and what he might do, they are completely missing an even bigger global political risk. The current leader of the regime in China is the most dangerous threat to world stability since a certain Austrian dude that was around in the early twentieth century. I don't think much of the world realise how oppressive Xi is nor the sense of ultra nationalistic fervour that he ingenders in the mainland of China. His political rhetoric is scary and he can do anything that he wants under a backdrop of an autocratic authoritarian dictatorship.

 

This outbreak of coronavirus should have been a setback for him and his regime but they have turned it into a massive propaganda victory. Regardless of whatever setback Xi faces, he comes out of it stronger. Some say Xi is already the most powerful leader on the planet. If he isn't, he soon will be. The thing he has over Trump is his personal charisma and ability to woo the people. Xi is a political phenomenon that needs reining back for the safety and wellbeing of the global community.

 

If all of that sounds like sensationalist nonsense, a few points to consider:

 

• China is currently engaged in the biggest programme of ethnic cleansing and mass internship since the second world war.
• The construction of huge so called "retraining facilities" (that are actually concentration camps) appearing in many mainland locations.
• Forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscious to sell on the international market to fund infrastructure projects.
• Use of cyber and digital technology to control every thought and action of every member of the population to an extent that Orwell couldn't have dreamed of.
• Measures to suppress free speech and democracy to levels that are even draconian by Chinese standards and worse than Xi's predecessors.
• Greater powers of arrest without trial for anything that the party deems likely to "destabilize the harmony of the people".
• Forced removal of any overseas journalists reporting on China related current affairs and imposition of visa restrictions.
• Using the excuse of dealing with corruption as a backdrop to purging the party of every liberal reformer including the hugely popular Bo xilai.
• In a failing economy, using trillions of US Dollars for military expansionism whilst many of the population live in poverty and squalor.
• Building of artificial islands in the South China Sea to house military bases as a threat to other Asian nations.
• Loaning huge sums of capital to high risks nations so as to obtain land overseas in exchange for defaul repayments thus enabling global expansionism.
• The gradual encroachment on Hong Kong and Taiwan with view to bringing them under Beijing control in contravention of international treaty.
• Violation of territorial treaties related to several land masses located in the South China Sea.
• Using power and influence of Xi to change constitutional issues in China including abolition of fixed term presidency and restrictions on power.

There are many, many more I could add but the point is China is paving the way for a sea change shift in global powerbase politics that will shape the world for many years to come. They are getting away with it because other global leaders won't challenge Beijing's authority on the premise of damaging trade links. China is a different animal to the past. No longer are they the oppressed in the world community. They are a vibrant, powerful nation and they deem now as the time for retribution for the so called century of humiliation. Be warned!

Edited March 16 by ChinaOwl