@owlstalk Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Animis said: I think they'll find that the owner isn't a very receptive individual for the fans to communicate with. I suspect his culture, whilst being polite, isn't used to challenging questions, which I suspect is the reason for this new group. As I said, there's no one else at the club to even engage with so how will this even work? I suspect he'll simply ignore them, or thank them for their interest and hope they continue to support the club (and buy a ST before the next deadline). If he ignores them - will this new Owls Trust continue to take membership payments from it's members and if so why? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Then you have the question of the new Owls Trust having a membership number (let's say they get 10,000 fans onboard) If the chairman communicates with them in private meetings and the Owls Trust communicates that meeting to their 10,000 fans - that causes another significant problem in that the rest of the fanbase doesn't hear about it, therefore creating a batch of fans who are in touch more than others with what's going on etc etc Not to mention the pretty much immediate criticism that will come from fans that 'THE OWLS TRUST DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME/WEDNESDAY FANS' Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 “The Trust’s membership will decide how the Trust will be run in future, who will form the board, and whether we as individuals have a role in that. Our job for now is to ensure that the Trust is established.” Kid: Look mum, I’ve built a Space Rocket Mum: How lovely, where is it now? Kid: I don’t know, somewhere in space I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 The issuing of this trust causes me great issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Have any of these long-standing Wednesday fans tried sitting down? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I think the only way stuff like this works is if the club is involved from the offset, otherwise its a them and us scenario straight away Somehow the fan base needs to elect 4 or 5 people to represent their views to the club The club sets out quarterly meetings with the elected few to discuss points raised. The minutes from all meetings get published to the wider audience It's never ever going to be groundbreaking BUT it can help with the general relationship between fan and club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, torres said: I think the only way stuff like this works is if the club is involved from the offset, otherwise its a them and us scenario straight away Somehow the fan base needs to elect 4 or 5 people to represent their views to the club The club sets out quarterly meetings with the elected few to discuss points raised. The minutes from all meetings get published to the wider audience It's never ever going to be groundbreaking BUT it can help with the general relationship between fan and club The second it's set up, the second one of the north stand cool kids will start slating it as 'not talking on my behalf' etc etc and within a couple of weeks all credibility will be gone and the fanbase will eventually grow to hate it Was the case with WISA, the old Owls Trust, Wednesdayite etc etc Always happens Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarwolf Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just one question, why are you all wasting your time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: If he ignores them - will this new Owls Trust continue to take membership payments from it's members and if so why? Again, it depend of the terms of reference for the Trust. If its a supporters group to support the club and have social meetings; arrange travel and events, and community work, I can see the members wanting to know the overall benefits match their investment. If the group's intention is to be an aggressive lobby group, I'm not sure if they'll get many members anyhow, particularly if the suspicion is DC/club will ignore them. 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Then you have the question of the new Owls Trust having a membership number (let's say they get 10,000 fans onboard) If the chairman communicates with them in private meetings and the Owls Trust communicates that meeting to their 10,000 fans - that causes another significant problem in that the rest of the fanbase doesn't hear about it, therefore creating a batch of fans who are in touch more than others with what's going on etc etc Not to mention the pretty much immediate criticism that will come from fans that 'THE OWLS TRUST DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME/WEDNESDAY FANS' There probably no way any group would attract 10000 members, but I see the point you're making. Realistically, let's say 1000. DC will know already that this number within the fan base have grievances/issues, and probably know the top half a dozen or so. Will a collective group saying the same thing make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: The second it's set up, the second one of the north stand cool kids will start slating it as 'not talking on my behalf' etc etc and within a couple of weeks all credibility will be gone and the fanbase will eventually grow to hate it Was the case with WISA, the old Owls Trust, Wednesdayite etc etc Always happens I don't disagree, but i think more than ever there is a requirement for something like this as DC seems so far from fan normality and appears to be getting further away each season We know it's only going to be the very basic of points discussed (and so it should be) but if it gets a bit of normality into the club, a tiny bit of realism back, then it has to be worth doing But it has to be done well and not just like some half baked kids club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Do the 'Trust' intend registering a vested interest of sporting related assets and stadia as a community asset ? As per http://www.sportenglandclubmatters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Community-Assets-Guidance1.pdf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Above is what Wednesdayite have to say about the new Owls Trust being formed Simply goes to show that whenever you get more than 3 Wednesday fans in a room, they can agree on bugger all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, roaminowl said: Have any of these long-standing Wednesday fans tried sitting down? I thought I laid this on a plate for somebody but nobody picked up on it. Gi' chairs back innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Best of intentions but just another talking shop after all. Really struggling to see what the ultimate aim is except to be a member of a club. Why would SW want to engage with your group when you will in all honesty be a minority of the paying fans. We already have periodic fans forum or are you looking to replace these with your group, which would seem a little elitist. As the current fans forum is open, as long as you can type an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Above is what Wednesdayite have to say about the new Owls Trust being formed @pahowl didn't answer why such an immature reason such as point one was justified. No hope if old grudges are held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Harrysgame said: Best of intentions but just another talking shop after all. Really struggling to see what the ultimate aim is except to be a member of a club. Why would SW want to engage with your group when you will in all honesty be a minority of the paying fans. We already have periodic fans forum or are you looking to replace these with your group, which would seem a little elitist. As the current fans forum is open, as long as you can type an email. I know this sounds defeatist, and Ive no doubt its all got the best of intentions for the club. The sad fact is, I honestly don't think DC has any intention of engaging with anybody who is any way critical of his running of the club. Its a group without any power..it might have a mandate, but sadly we sold our say in the gamble of the first two seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: @pahowl didn't answer why such an immature reason such as point one was justified. No hope if old grudges are held. I mean...didn't one spat end up with an attempted hit and run like a scene outta Hill st blue (Goggle) ...s 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, asteener1867 said: I mean...didn't one spat end up with an attempted hit and run like a scene outta Hill st blue (Goggle) ...s think that was the exception mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: think that was the exception mate yea I know, but it shows how high the feelings get....I mean Wednesday fans seem to have an aptitude for blind loyalty to the club, and blind antipathy towards each other. Its like that time under the South with Wilko..."Teales got a Bentley"...I bloody stood there and laughed out loud... "Remember the AGM"....every f.ooker bangin' on about diverse crap that wasn't constructive. "Xbana Milan" ..turns to "Thank you Delphjon"....and still we get nowt.... The players do a lap of honour every sodding season...Luckily ...some call it a lap of thanks..We clap. pay up, end up disappointed...Xbana...thanks....Clap...disappointment. 20..f.ooking years!!!!! I mean when someone on the Kop ..with a beard says "Who's that?" as they talk to Waddle at halftime at the City game...You think....."crikey, the poor sod...he's seen nowt bar a struggle" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Then you have the question of the new Owls Trust having a membership number (let's say they get 10,000 fans onboard) If the chairman communicates with them in private meetings and the Owls Trust communicates that meeting to their 10,000 fans - that causes another significant problem in that the rest of the fanbase doesn't hear about it, therefore creating a batch of fans who are in touch more than others with what's going on etc etc Not to mention the pretty much immediate criticism that will come from fans that 'THE OWLS TRUST DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME/WEDNESDAY FANS' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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