Why does it always go wrong for Monk?

[Morepork]

I think that’s a fair assessment OP.

 

What I would say is you could probably write the same about many managers. Started reasonably well and then faded away is most likely the footprint of every manager of average ability and below. Very few achieve any form of success even less achieve success consistently.

 

Monks pattern suggests he’s average or below, although in the interests of fairness he’d have plenty of mitigating circumstances in his time with us.

 

The truth is, while the evidence suggests he was always going to fail we’ll never really know because of the sh!t show we are running behind the scenes. What’s worse is that sad truth will apply to the next guy and the next regardless of who they are unless there’s momentous change.

[The Night-Owl]

9 minutes ago, Morepork said:

I think that’s a fair assessment OP.

 

What I would say is you could probably write the same about many managers. Started reasonably well and then faded away is most likely the footprint of every manager of average ability and below. Very few achieve any form of success even less achieve success consistently.

 

Monks pattern suggests he’s average or below, although in the interests of fairness he’d have plenty of mitigating circumstances in his time with us.

 

The truth is, while the evidence suggests he was always going to fail we’ll never really know because of the sh!t show we are running behind the scenes. What’s worse is that sad truth will apply to the next guy and the next regardless of who they are unless there’s momentous change.

 

To be fair to Monk, even though I don't rate him and didn't rate him before he came here, all his managerial jobs have been at basket case clubs. That said, is that really a big enough excuse for repeated failure and job hopping? I say that because Carlos got us into the top 6 twice, despite the background interference, yet Monk has never achieved top 6 at this level.

 

Some other clubs with barmy owners can still achieve things, yet for us it's an excuse for mediocrity? Bottom line is, that Monk has failed in all of his jobs and not lasted anywhere longer than a year, there must be a reason for that?

 

However, I agree with you, that I won't be at all surprised if we carry on doing things the way we do off the pitch and on it, we'll be looking for yet another new manager next year too.

 

We need to start being more sensible and long term thinking but sadly nothing Monk's ever done here or elsewhere doesn't suggest he's worth keeping longer than a year and building something with. I'd sooner, if possible give a chance to a lower League manager on the rise and try and build a sensible long term plan with them, however I can't see DC being that sensible or learning from his mistakes. 

[debram]

On 10/03/2020 at 14:49, Owls Loyal said:

This is a difficult question to answer as it always seems to fall apart for Monk after a promising start:

 

Swansea

Monk started well but a run of 1 win in 11 games saw this Swansea stalwart fired as the team fell to fifteenth place in the table just outside the relegation places.

 

Leeds United

Monk's teams were a fixture in the Play Off positions until it all fell apart in the last half dozen games.  Leeds finished 7th and outside the Play Off places with Monk resigning to go to Boro.

Those who went to Ipswich following SWFC will recall the constant rendering of the "Leeds, Leeds are falling apart again" anthem.

 

Middlesborough

Monk was allowed to spend huge sums in ther summer in a bid to secure promotion.  Monk though fell out with players and Chairman and was fired after 5 months.

 

Birmingham

Monk produced some decent results particularly given the points deduction imposed on the club but the Chairman fired him at the end of the season.  The reason for his dismissal remains unclear.

 

Sheffield Wednesday

Monk made a decent start and got some good results initially although performances were poor in general.  Post Xmas results nosedived, the performances became shambolic and the team is in complete free fall.

 

What I do not understand is why does this always seem to happen with Monk?

 

Most alarming is the fact that as a manager he has never been able to turn a slump in form round.

Dire reading, doesnt give us a great deal of confidence does it.

[Westfield Owl]

Well let’s see...

 

Swansea City - Inherited a top 10 Prem job.  The club had recently won silverware and competed in Europe.  Monk road on the coattails of Laudrup’s success for a while.  Sacked after 1 league win in 3 months.  Left them battling relegation.

 

Leeds United - Had a really good team there and a 30 goal striker in Wood.  Capitulated in a hilarious manner to crash out of the  playoffs when the pressure was on.  A better manager would have had that club promoted in the top 2.

 

Middlesborough - Spunked an absolute fortune in one transfer window.  Hugely underperformed and the club acted swiftly to stop the rot.  Sacked after half a season and with their parachute payment money wasted.  Boro are still recovering from Monk’s time there.

 

Birmingham - Not Monk’s fault they had a points deduction.  Let’s just say he was sacked for “of the field” matters.  If those allegations are true, I cannot blame Blues for binning Monk off.  They’ve not exactly missed him since.

 

TL;DR - He’s a poor manager.  Nothing “unlucky” about him failing at most clubs he manages.  Garry Monk is the common denominator.

[Westfield Owl]

On 10/03/2020 at 15:35, brian joicey said:

swansea in PL were always going to nosedive

LEEDS had a mad man as owner (spot the similarities) 

 

 

Hmm, under Brendan Rodgers and then Michael Laudrup, Swansea had gone from strength to strength.

 

European football, players in the England squad, silverware in the cabinet.

 

When Monk became manager at Swansea, they were basically at the level Wolves are at now.

 

His appointment was the turning point of when that club started to decline.

 

On 10/03/2020 at 15:37, 0114 said:

I remember reading the reason he left at Birmingham was because the owner agreed a swap deal for Jota to go to Villa and Gary Gardner to sign for Birmingham and Monk wasn’t happy at all. On the face of it that does seem a terrible swap. 
 

He was also fired at Middlesbrough while they sat in 5th. Very harsh. 

 

Fake news that pal.

 

They weren’t even in the top 8, even after beating us the day he was fired (which must have been planned by Middlesbrough’s hierarchy, regardless of that result).

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42468443

Edited March 11, 2020 by Westfield Owl

[Owls Loyal]

As Westfield Owl points out Brian Joicey may need to sharpen his research skills.

 

Swansea had an very decent establshed Premier League team built by Rodgers and Laudrup.  With 1 win in 11 games under Monk and the team in freefall he was fired.

 

Sound familiar?

 

At Boro having spent well in excess of £20 million Monk's team that was not long out of the Premiert League were in eighth place but he fell out with both players and Chairman and was fired.

 

At Birmingham there were lots of accusations about Monk flying around and at the end of the season he was fired.

 

You would be hard pushed to put any case for Monk leading any rebuild in the summer.

 

My real fear though is that Monk will take us to League 1 whereas 60-65 points should have been achievable this season under a decent manager which would have given us a cushion against any FFP penalty.

[Stoop]

On 10/03/2020 at 11:33, pussface said:

I honestly think this will be his last gig at Championship level, maybe even League 1. His record suggests that he really should take stock and consider throwing the towel and doing something else.  

 

 

So tired of the excuses, he's just another poor SWFC appointment. I mean apart from Laws and Carlos (who had very short ill-fated tenues at Burnley and Swansea in the EPL) how many of our ex managers who fans defended to the hilt have gone on to bigger & better things? Where's Laws, Turner, Jones, Irvine etc now? Nowhere because they were rubbish.

And please save me from the "It's the players fault" or "He's not had enough time" “His hands are tied” rubbish. The exact same nonsense was trotted out to defend Jewell before Shreeves took over and galvanised the team with pretty much the same players. As did Gray when he took over from Jones.

 

"The players are stale"

 

6 players who started against Brentford are from the post Carlos era, three of which arrived in the Summer or January... so nope not having that either. Sure certain players do need moving on, but you do that at the end of the season. You do not exile senior players mid-deason without adequate replacements. Jos learnt this the hard way.

 

It's the manager’s job to get and make the most of the players at his disposal. Monk clearly isn't doing this, and as highlighted in the OP there's nothing in his history to suggest he's capable of turning the corner when the inevitable dip happens. Nor does it suggest him being a capable hand in rebuilding a team from scratch.

 

 

 

Monk is just an awful manger, who's appointment was another symptom of inept Chairmanship.
 

We needed a manager like Big Mick who is used to working with restricted budgets with a knack of unearthing gems from the lower leagues. Or a Stuart Gray who can identify players capable of adapting to positions where the team is short, whilst drilling defences to not give a bean away.
 

DC fired one of those and allowed the other to get away, because of his own delusions of grandeur. 

Good post

 

Can’t argue with any of that tbh

 

Ive backed monk, but how long can this run be allowed to go on for?

Edited March 12, 2020 by Stoop

[BullitsAA]

Surely if we are fearful of a realistic points deduction, we have to act now or be relegated? 

[Owls Loyal]

I agree 100% with Bulits AA.

 

I have been arguing for firing Monk and bringing in a Survival specialist on a short term deal until the end of the season.

 

Who knows the manager in question might end up liking us and we liking him

 

Monk is finished at Hillsborough and the current strategy is so high risk..