fatzooma Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 My take on it is he bought a big telly and a new carpet and people were blinded like some scrubber wining the lottery. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, toppOwl said: DC puts in the maximum amount allowed in sponsorship from his own money, who were these corporate sponsors from before and how much were they putting in? I’m curious. How about creating interest and getting proper sponsors instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ATBS said: What makes you think he is 'probably a gest deal smarter ' than the guy at S2.? Yes, in fact if anything it’s probably the other way round. “ The guy at S2 “ is savvy enough to let people get on with things and take a back seat. DC, on the other hand seemingly likes to micro - manage and dictate to everyone. Look where it’s got him. Which of the two - DC or “the guy at S2” is currently in charge of a successful forward thinking football club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear05 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) I don't buy the 'good intentions' bit anymore. His arrogance and lack of self-awareness means he uses the club's (I know he's the owner) money completely irresponsibly. What do we think this 'good intent' is about? Because he absolutely loves Sheffield and wants the city to prosper? Because he was a fan of Sheff Wed since he was 5? Or is it arrogance, and wanting to show off that CHANSIRI, owns a premier league club. Perhaps his intentions were good, in that he was genuinely trying to get us promoted. I would argue that 'good intent' should be defined by wanting the best for the club in the long term, looking after and communicating with supports, not changing our badge/kit and using the fans' money in a sustainable way. He is very naive and too stubborn to admit help. It is quite tragic to see. I do appreciate that things would be different if we'd won 1 match, in the play off final. But then I genuinely worry about how he'd have used the premier league money - I have no confidence he'd have used it to build for a medium or long term future. Edited March 9, 2020 by gbear05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) I think Chansiri got carried away after Wembley play off game. I don't think he intentionally was reckless more naive, but that is really academic. Edited March 9, 2020 by matthefish2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1867 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 hours ago, ka58 said: I was also extremely doubtful and got a load of abuse along the lines of “smelling pork” etc I bet you were also told "it's his club, he can do what he wants" etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1867 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, gbear05 said: I don't buy the 'good intentions' bit anymore. His arrogance and lack of self-awareness means he uses the club's (I know he's the owner) money completely irresponsibly. What do we think this 'good intent' is about? Because he absolutely loves Sheffield and wants the city to prosper? Because he was a fan of Sheff Wed since he was 5? Or is it arrogance, and wanting to show off that CHANSIRI, owns a premier league club. Perhaps his intentions were good, in that he was genuinely trying to get us promoted. I would argue that 'good intent' should be defined by wanting the best for the club in the long term, looking after and communicating with supports, not changing our badge/kit and using the fans' money in a sustainable way. He is very naive and too stubborn to admit help. It is quite tragic to see. I do appreciate that things would be different if we'd won 1 match, in the play off final. But then I genuinely worry about how he'd have used the premier league money - I have no confidence he'd have used it to build for a medium or long term future. His intentions were to make money for himself, he didn't care about supporters, the city, building a legacy etc. He wanted us in the premier league as fast as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, David1867 said: His intentions were to make money for himself, he didn't care about supporters, the city, building a legacy etc. He wanted us in the premier league as fast as possible. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that intent Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, billyblack said: How about creating interest and getting proper sponsors instead And adding his own money on top of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The man gambled and lost, the problem was he had no plan B for failure. Instead of selling assets (players) whilst values where high allowing us to level out and have another go. He instead just gambled again and prayed that with a new manager or 2 the same players that had failed to deliver would somehow dig him out of the hole he'd created. Burying your head in the sand and praying very rarely works. Selling 5 year season tickets was always a worry as your taking revenue from future FFP too confounding the situation even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, rickygoo said: And adding his own money on top of that. I'll ask the question again, who are these corporate sponsors that are lining up with their money to have their name splashed across a fading second tier stadium? I remember us starting a season without a sponsor at all and ended up sticking the Childrens Hospital name on the shirts, a lovely gesture but it will have bought in nothing excepet goodwill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, toppOwl said: I'll ask the question again, who are these corporate sponsors that are lining up with their money to have their name splashed across a fading second tier stadium? I remember us starting a season without a sponsor at all and ended up sticking the Childrens Hospital name on the shirts, a lovely gesture but it will have bought in nothing excepet goodwill. How many staff do you think are employed by the club to go out and secure corporate sponsorships, box holders, corporate advertising etc? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, toppOwl said: I'll ask the question again, who are these corporate sponsors that are lining up with their money to have their name splashed across a fading second tier stadium? I remember us starting a season without a sponsor at all and ended up sticking the Childrens Hospital name on the shirts, a lovely gesture but it will have bought in nothing excepet goodwill. There wont be any lining up. You have to go out and find them. There are people who get paid handsomely to do that job believe it or not. Makes you wonder how other clubs get sponsors doesnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: How many staff do you think are employed by the club to go out and secure corporate sponsorships, box holders, corporate advertising etc? Zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, toppOwl said: I'll ask the question again, who are these corporate sponsors that are lining up with their money to have their name splashed across a fading second tier stadium? I remember us starting a season without a sponsor at all and ended up sticking the Childrens Hospital name on the shirts, a lovely gesture but it will have bought in nothing excepet goodwill. To be honest, is there any club or association at professional level of sport that does not benefit from third party commercial revenue? The deal offered must be attractive enough to attrct them. The difference between what third party organisations would pay and what DC is inputting using shell or fake companies must be miniscule in the grander scheme of things otherwise he would not be allowed to do it under EFL rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I backed him. Blinded by two successive play off seasons. Gave people on here some pelters, shouldn't have done so. Never agreed with the stupid POTD prices (how can anyone?), wasn't overly happy with the silly stuff concerning shirts, badges and what not...but I was willing to forego some of that stuff to see a team competing at the right end of this division for the first time since we got relegated. Unfortunately, since the Huddersfield game, the cracks haven't just comes to the surface they've turned into full on chasms. There is no plan, there seemingly never was outside of getting promoted within those first two years. Truth be told, we might be in an even bigger mess had we gone up, what with the potential for reckless spending, further agents/advisors and Chansiri reaffirming in his own mind that he was really good at this football thing. They often say you only see the best of someone in football when they have to go through the bad times - managers, players and so forth. I think the same very much applies to chairman and owners too. Once FF missed that penalty against Huddersfield, we were fooked. Chansiri and his cohorts have absolutely no idea or they just don't care. No self respecting owner would allow the current situation to carry on. There would be some form of action, whether that's sacking Monk, making a statement, a rallying call etc. Nothing, absolutely nothing. What has happened since has been nothing short of shocking. A brief respite under Bruce, but that was only papering over those cracks (chasms). We will be in League One before too long. Either next season or the season after next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, billyblack said: There wont be any lining up. You have to go out and find them. There are people who get paid handsomely to do that job believe it or not. Makes you wonder how other clubs get sponsors doesnt it. So DC is putting as much in sponsorship as he's allowed to, for your plan to work he has to pay someone "handsomely" to go out and get sponsors to put in the exact same amount - are you serious with this or winding me up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, toppOwl said: So DC is putting as much in sponsorship as he's allowed to, for your plan to work he has to pay someone "handsomely" to go out and get sponsors to put in the exact same amount - are you serious with this or winding me up? Do you think he would have to pay a salary to someone the same as what he pays in sponsorship? Are you winding me up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: To be honest, is there any club or association at professional level of sport that does not benefit from third party commercial revenue? The deal offered must be attractive enough to attrct them. The difference between what third party organisations would pay and what DC is inputting using shell or fake companies must be miniscule in the grander scheme of things otherwise he would not be allowed to do it under Why do other clubs have sponsors? Surely DC would prefer for someone else to put their hand in their pocket rather than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, billyblack said: Why do other clubs have sponsors? Surely DC would prefer for someone else to put their hand in their pocket rather than him? His rationale has always been stated as no third party sponsor would cover the amount he is putting in himself. That might well be true. But it cannot be substantially more otherwise he would be faced with additional EFL charges. So what is the point of D-Taxis and Elev8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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