handworth52 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Royal_D said: There’s various stories about, for me though... what i was told is it’s 100% contract related and the decision to let him train with the U23’s and essentially not be available for selection came from the chairman, not too sure if a disagreement between SH and Monk has happened before that decision was reached but I did ask about rumours of a scrap , nobody knew if there was anything in that but Hutchinson was a lot more liked on the terraces than at middlewood road and in the dressing room I don’t really care who believes me or doesn’t, but the above is what I was told by a good mate of mine and no I ain’t divulging names so believe what you want etc I certainly can believe that regards its chansiri what has made that decision . purely on a footballer monk always said good things about sam ie he loves his aggression and we don't want to take that out of the player etc. I also believe if monk and Hutchinson did have a major argument im sure unless monk has rocks in his head he would have tried to sort it out as he knows not only are we going down ,he also might never get another managers job in future . if Hutchinson came back into team id say we would have a small chance of getting the 4 wins what we probably need to stop up . without him we wont win another game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Do you know this for a fact or is this just your assumption? Pretty sure the situation was similar under Jos as Hutchinson was heading towards the door but that changed when he got the bullet. Why has Monk made the decision in January that Hutchinson will not play for him again when his other midfielders aren't pulling up any trees? Should Monk be sacked the landscape may change. Unless he has fallen out with Chansiri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hutchinson's gone, there is no Hutchinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Royal_D said: There’s various stories about, for me though... what i was told is it’s 100% contract related and the decision to let him train with the U23’s and essentially not be available for selection came from the chairman, not too sure if a disagreement between SH and Monk has happened before that decision was reached but I did ask about rumours of a scrap , nobody knew if there was anything in that but Hutchinson was a lot more liked on the terraces than at middlewood road and in the dressing room I don’t really care who believes me or doesn’t, but the above is what I was told by a good mate of mine and no I ain’t divulging names so believe what you want etc Thanks. If it is the case that the owner has made the decision (albeit one that Monk seemingly supports as his integrity as a manager has to come from selecting the best team available to him and if the owner is moving players out from under him when they are still under contract then he shouldn't want to continue working for that owner) then maybe Hutchinson has enquired about a new contract, DC has said no and Hutchinson has then chucked the toys out? As for the dressing room popularity, you'd have thought performances and morale would have improved as a result of this decision if that were true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, handworth52 said: without him we wont win another game this season. That’s rubbish, we are more than capable of winning games without Sam Hutchinson He’s a decent player at this level on his day, but let’s not be making him out to be Iniesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: Thanks. If it is the case that the owner has made the decision (albeit one that Monk seemingly supports as his integrity as a manager has to come from selecting the best team available to him and if the owner is moving players out from under him when they are still under contract then he shouldn't want to continue working for that owner) then maybe Hutchinson has enquired about a new contract, DC has said no and Hutchinson has then chucked the toys out? As for the dressing room popularity, you'd have thought performances and morale would have improved as a result of this decision if that were true? ive seen Hutchinson loads of times laughing and messing about with other players ,its a myth that he is massively disliked at middlewood road . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Thanks. If it is the case that the owner has made the decision (albeit one that Monk seemingly supports as his integrity as a manager has to come from selecting the best team available to him and if the owner is moving players out from under him when they are still under contract then he shouldn't want to continue working for that owner) then maybe Hutchinson has enquired about a new contract, DC has said no and Hutchinson has then chucked the toys out? As for the dressing room popularity, you'd have thought performances and morale would have improved as a result of this decision if that were true? that’s the general gist I got yes, I will say I ain’t 100% certain and am not throwing it out there as any of this ITK garbage , I was asked to say what I knew and that’s what I’ve done Performances and Morale ain’t just down to SH , it’s much bigger issue than just Hutchinson or Westwood or anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, handworth52 said: ive seen Hutchinson loads of times laughing and messing about with other players ,its a myth that he is massively disliked at middlewood road . you’re basing your facts on the fact a few players have giggled at something he said? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 So just to sum up, he’s not gone then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, BIG D said: So just to sum up, he’s not gone then? No He is here and the best player we have ever had and will definitely play the last few games and singlehandedly keep us up, whilst at the same time making other players laugh to prove his popularity at the club. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, BIG D said: So just to sum up, he’s not gone then? Nope, just hiding behind the curtains every time Neil goes round (again)... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: that’s the general gist I got yes, I will say I ain’t 100% certain and am not throwing it out there as any of this ITK garbage , I was asked to say what I knew and that’s what I’ve done Performances and Morale ain’t just down to SH , it’s much bigger issue than just Hutchinson or Westwood or anyone else Fair enough, I've no reason to doubt you, just nice to have something more insightful to go on than 'he's gone, he ain't coming back'! I don't doubt that there is more to our morale than the availability and popularity of 2 players but it does seem a bit coincidental that we have fallen apart since the Wigan game when Hutchinson was excluded from. Whatever the other reasons are, Monk is responsible for managing the team and getting the best out of what he has available. He is failing in that respect on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Royal_D said: That’s rubbish, we are more than capable of winning games without Sam Hutchinson He’s a decent player at this level on his day, but let’s not be making him out to be Iniesta he gives balance to a team . don't you agree? we cant tackle a fly without him . did you go to Brentford? and what game are we going to win this season? even luton who were bottom could have and should have scored 5 against us , do you think derby would have been 3-0 up at ours if hutch was in team? a team what have worst away record in league? I have zero confidence in anything to do with swfc now ,ive made decision now to not travel again to watch them away from home as its just too painful , I will keep going to home games but just hope that some kind of protest happens instead of supporters just wandering off at 345 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Royal_D said: That’s rubbish, we are more than capable of winning games without Sam Hutchinson He’s a decent player at this level on his day, but let’s not be making him out to be Iniesta We should be capable with the rest of the squad, absolutely. Monk is making it look very difficult with his negative tactics and team selections. He has maybe managed to get 2 or 3 performances out of them in more than 15 games. Edited March 9, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: Fair enough, I've no reason to doubt you, just nice to have something more insightful to go on than 'he's gone, he ain't coming back'! I don't doubt that there is more to our morale than the availability and popularity of 2 players but it does seem a bit coincidental that we have fallen apart since the Wigan game when Hutchinson was excluded from. Whatever the other reasons are, Monk is responsible for managing the team and getting the best out of what he has available. He is failing in that respect on many levels. Yep, agree with that and I’ve many of my own reservations about GM. he’s the man responsible and am sure he’s more than aware of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Royal_D said: that’s the general gist I got yes, I will say I ain’t 100% certain and am not throwing it out there as any of this ITK garbage , I was asked to say what I knew and that’s what I’ve done Performances and Morale ain’t just down to SH , it’s much bigger issue than just Hutchinson or Westwood or anyone else Also if it is the case that the player has chucked his toys out of the pram because he wont be getting a new deal, the club is well within their rights to make this public and it would be useful to do so to take some of the pressure off of the manager in relation to this apparent selection issue. Edited March 9, 2020 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 You know things must be really bad when such an ordinary player appears to have turned into our saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: you’re basing your facts on the fact a few players have giggled at something he said? ive met sam a few times and I wouldn't want to fall out with him ,you can tell he has a side to him , same with westwood he comes across as pretty arrogant . but ive seen them interact with other players at owls in park at away games , and on those swfc training vids , there is no big issue with other players ,maybe he don't get on with all of them but that's happens at every club . all I want and everyone else is a statement from the club as this is unacceptable ,my club is in serious serious trouble ,getting relegated this season will at best set this club back for many many years . if you think otherwise then im all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Steve Down South said: You know things must be really bad when such an ordinary player appears to have turned into our saviour. Exactly Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, handworth52 said: he gives balance to a team . don't you agree? we cant tackle a fly without him . did you go to Brentford? and what game are we going to win this season? even luton who were bottom could have and should have scored 5 against us , do you think derby would have been 3-0 up at ours if hutch was in team? a team what have worst away record in league? I have zero confidence in anything to do with swfc now ,ive made decision now to not travel again to watch them away from home as its just too painful , I will keep going to home games but just hope that some kind of protest happens instead of supporters just wandering off at 345 . No I don’t agree really, on form he can play a part in a good side at this level , too often in a Wednesday shirt I’ve seen him sit far too deep and disrupt our whole attacking balance, but it’s all about opinions , not saying I haven’t seen him have games where he’s looked like a world beater because I have , and have throughly enjoyed it Truth is , Massimo Luongo is a far superior all round player Did you say you couldn’t see us winning another game when Fletcher got injured ? Our only striker who looks like can get regular goals at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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