Guest LondonOwl313 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, striker said: Agree in part, but obvious some players are capable but choose not to give a throw. I agree motivation falls within the remit of the manager but when some players in the squad can't muster the basics, nigh on impossible. I dont think for one minute some team selections are by choice. Imagine if a player has done fizz all in training all week, do they deserve to play ahead of someone whose been busting a gut day in day out? What message would that send? Let's also not forget this isn't Monks team, nor his choice of backroom staff and ended up with players off the 'b' or 'c' recruitment list in January. I'm all for positive change, so if we sack Monk, who is his replacement? But how do we know for sure we have players doing that? The ones that people are rumouring that applies to have always put a shift in on the pitch for the last 5 years so it’s hard to see it being that simple. The ones that we are picking have a lack of quality on the whole i don’t know on the long term replacement.. depends entirely on what’s going on with Chansiri, what’s the budget for next year etc.. we have no leadership at boardroom level all I know is, looking at our fixtures I can’t see another win until maybe the last day against Middlesbrough for as long as Monk is here. A new manager, pretty much anyone, would have more of a chance of picking up a couple of results to keep us up. If we lose 12 points we’re going to need a good run to stay up so he has to go to give us a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriceAPP Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, WAWAWUTO17 said: Is Chansiri even in the country ? Honestly hope he sells up. Monk is not the issue. I dont know what everyone expected when a manager comes in and the back room staff is the same as it was for the previous manager. One man cant change everything. He needs trusted associates at the side of him. Chansiri has sold him short. Utter disgrace of a chairman. Previous manager - Bruce had his own two mates as well. Monk, it seems, has been allowed nobody. Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, PriceAPP said: Previous manager - Bruce had his own two mates as well. Monk, it seems, has been allowed nobody. Absolutely ridiculous. It seems the Bruce episode has killed off any enthusiasm DC had left for running the club. He convinced him to come, allowed him to delay it , let him bring his own staff including recruitment and fitness only for Bruce to let him down. He looked totally fed up at the Monk unveiling, I don’t think he will have any inclination at all to try and find another manager so Monk will stay. It’s too much trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: But how do we know for sure we have players doing that? The ones that people are rumouring that applies to have always put a shift in on the pitch for the last 5 years so it’s hard to see it being that simple. The ones that we are picking have a lack of quality on the whole i don’t know on the long term replacement.. depends entirely on what’s going on with Chansiri, what’s the budget for next year etc.. we have no leadership at boardroom level all I know is, looking at our fixtures I can’t see another win until maybe the last day against Middlesbrough for as long as Monk is here. A new manager, pretty much anyone, would have more of a chance of picking up a couple of results to keep us up. If we lose 12 points we’re going to need a good run to stay up so he has to go to give us a chance We've been poo for years, exactly the same cycle time after time with the same core of players. Anyone watching recent games can see the lack of effort. Absolutely right, lack of quality obviously, but I'd rather that than a 'quality' player going through the motions and taking the wee wee. Spot on re lack of leadership, that's the bigger problem. This is DC's creation, his decisions, method of running a club and ultimately his responsibility. Also, bear in mind it took us over 2 months to replace Bruce. The likely outcome if Monk leaves is Bullen, propped up by the very same players who dont give a throw about the club and who've seemingly downed tools. We then move into the most important transfer window of recent years this summer with no manager and the likelihood of a Paxo appointment on the cards. I'm not a fan of Monk, pretty ambivalent TBH, if DC had a plan, a replacement lined up, any flipping clue what's happening, then I'd be all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I have 2 key questions for Striker: Firstly did you attend the following SWFC matches under the "management" of Monk: Blackburn 0-5 lost Wigan 2-1 lost Luton Town 1-0 lost Reading 0-3 lost Derby County 1-3 lost Brentford 0-5 lost Se you assert that Monk is a good manager and have been asked on here to provide some evidence of this from his managerial career. What evidence do you have.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 any manager that says , We need players like da cruz , can't be that great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Swiss Toni said: Well who’s the imposter that’s just re-laid my driveway? Borodrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 So it’s taken 11 pages so far but assuming the answer to the question is no, Monk hasn’t gone Unless he walks then he won’t go anywhere till the EFL case is resolved and Chansiri can sell us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said: I have 2 key questions for Striker: Firstly did you attend the following SWFC matches under the "management" of Monk: Blackburn 0-5 lost Wigan 2-1 lost Luton Town 1-0 lost Reading 0-3 lost Derby County 1-3 lost Brentford 0-5 lost Se you assert that Monk is a good manager and have been asked on here to provide some evidence of this from his managerial career. What evidence do you have.? Not Derby or Brentford. I said Monk isn't a bad manager, think I was on record as being underwhelmed when appointed. Not my job to justify his appointment, DC's decision. I advocated Rowett and one of those who 'lumped on' Is Monk preferable to Bullen or a Paxo appointment? Yes. Will sacking Monk be the solution to our problems? No, not even close Also worth noting, we were doing pretty well up to Christmas. For the third time, I'll ask, who is your choice of replacement. (I dont mind at all if Monk sacked, but am concerned about what happens afterwards with no plan or replacement lined up) Edited March 8, 2020 by striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I have to say that one shred of evidence to support Monk being a good manager would help me to understand where you are coming from. I can't see a single achievement on his CV but I can see that he was fired at Swansea, Boro and Birmingham after relatively short spells in charge. Results hare key and since Christmas I think we all agree these have been catastrophic. In terms of a replacement I buy into Ash's post earlier saying that we are in a crisis situation and a short term appointment of either Warnock, Pulis plus Megson or Alladyce might work well for both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Warnock JESUS CHRIST Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Warnock JESUS CHRIST The rescue tractor rumbling all the way from Cornwall.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Socialist_Owl said: The rescue tractor rumbling all the way from Cornwall.... On a serious note could you imagine the absolute meltdown in our fanbase if we even drew a game that we were winning? It'd be 'he's agent warnock - screwing us up for the blades' etc etc Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Said this so many times but it is absolutely ridiculous Monk hasn’t been able to bring his own staff in, people he trusts and confides in. Can imagine it’s a pretty lonely place for him at the minute, knowing his number 2 Bullen is mates with the problem players in the squad. Obviously Monk can’t bring the Birmingham manager in who was his number 2 and looks like Beattie isn’t allowed to leave but their must be other people in the game, maybe players he has played with that he trusts and would like to work with. Edited March 8, 2020 by WalthamOwl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Robinson Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Didn’t Warnock once say ‘I’m a Blade thru and thru?’ I’d be truly amazed if he managed you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriceAPP Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Said this so many times but it is absolutely ridiculous Monk hasn’t been able to bring his own staff in, people he trusts and confides in. Can imagine it’s a pretty lonely place for him at the minute, knowing his number 2 Bullen is mates with the problem players in the squad. Absolutely spot on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: On a serious note could you imagine the absolute meltdown in our fanbase if we even drew a game that we were winning? It'd be 'he's agent warnock - screwing us up for the blades' etc etc I guarantee you Bullen wouldn't be #2 on a Warnock staff. That's Ronnie Jepson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Alan Robinson said: Didn’t Warnock once say ‘I’m a Blade thru and thru?’ I’d be truly amazed if he managed you guys. Managers say a lot of noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 If @owlstalk is so sure that people do not want winners like Warnock, Pulis plus Megson or Allardyce then I suggests a poll is organised. This is 2020 and I do not care where on earth the new manager comes from. But the new manager has to have a track record of success. This is something that Monk can only dream about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Jeez the rumour machine is spewing out the usual rubbish I see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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