Minton Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, torres said: ok if you are that dense Homosexual males are deemed effeminate on the whole by the average male Our players in recent months haven’t performed well Hence the joke made by the poster Is it homophobic? No? is it a bit stereotypical? Yes No different to when some says a joke about Yorkshire people being tight, United fans being thick or scousers being all criminals Everyone needs to stop being so precious Sorry, but it is homophobic. Just because you don't think it isn't, doesn't make it ok. As for the OP; I obviously wouldn't care, but the fact that the question has to be asked, some of the responses on this thread and the number and frequency of homophobic incidents in society points to the unfortunate fact that some people would have a problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Threads like this make you realize how far we have to go. ...on both sides of this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy logics Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 I find it incredulous that people actually give a shiit about someone else's sexuality, gender, race etc. My problem is with people who discriminate, and that especially includes those who espouse equality then support positive discrimination. Just be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: In my line of work in London years ago we had many homosexual men working for us and they were all very effeminate. Am I being Homophobic saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 "Very effeminate". As opposed to normal, bog standard effeminate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Thought it was leading onto "came out of midfield and had a shot on goal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, markowl said: "Very effeminate". As opposed to normal, bog standard effeminate. Not sure what's confusing about that @Bulgaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Your lack of counter points confirms you’ve lost the argument and your low IQ To be fair, you lost the argument when you resorted to abusive comments. Lets try to have a debate without resorting to insults (not just aimed at you). Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, roaminowl said: To be fair, you lost the argument when you resorted to abusive comments. Lets try to have a debate without resorting to insults (not just aimed at you). Ta. He insulted me first if you read.. I just responded. He’s trolling a fair few people in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: In my line of work in London years ago we had many homosexual men working for us and they were all very effeminate. Am I being Homophobic saying that? How do you know that the masculine men at work aren't gay? How do you determine that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: He insulted me first if you read.. I just responded. He’s trolling a fair few people in this thread He did insult you first, yes. Hence my comment. However, your response was more abusive than just an insult. Either way, it's not helpful (again, not just aimed at you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: How do you know that the masculine men at work aren't gay? How do you determine that? And all the gay men were very effeminate. All of them. It's almost like he's made a scenario up to suit his argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, McRightSide said: *as long as it’s behind closed doors Your lack of comprehension is staggering. I'm out ... Of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Minton said: Sorry, but it is homophobic. Just because you don't think it isn't, doesn't make it ok. As for the OP; I obviously wouldn't care, but the fact that the question has to be asked, some of the responses on this thread and the number and frequency of homophobic incidents in society points to the unfortunate fact that some people would have a problem with it. Agree in the main but its an upward trend if this was debated on OT twenty years ago the thread would be very different to what it is today it would have been so much hostile towards to the gay community. If we make the same progress as we have in the last twenty years when we come to debate it again in another twenty years I would hazard a guess that it wouldn't last more than a couple of pages as it would have little relevance to people. We are progressing maybe not as quickly as many would like, but progress nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, OwlBiSeeinThi said: Your lack of comprehension is staggering. I'm out ... Of this thread. Says the guy who equated homophobic abuse to criticising a player for a poor performance. Says the guy who said it’s fine for people to be gay, but they shouldn’t come out publicly...it’s a private matter for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: How do you know that the masculine men at work aren't gay? How do you determine that? I don't, nor do I care, but that's not what's been debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, markowl said: And all the gay men were very effeminate. All of them. It's almost like he's made a scenario up to suit his argument. Sorry, but are you calling me a liar, or were you there with me? Edited March 7, 2020 by Bulgaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Agree in the main but its an upward trend if this was debated on OT twenty years ago the thread would be very different to what it is today it would have been so much hostile towards to the gay community. If we make the same progress as we have in the last twenty years when we come to debate it again in another twenty years I would hazard a guess that it wouldn't last more than a couple of pages as it would have little relevance to people. We are progressing maybe not as quickly as many would like, but progress nonetheless. Things have definitely improved. Whether they are still improving is debatable, particularly in the last few years. Racism and homophobia in particular are definitely on the rise in general. Whether that is due to people feeling they can be more open with their privately held prejudice or because there has been an apathy due to people thinking that it has been job done is another debate. But assuming it will be gone in 20 years is not a realistic presumption unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Bulgaria said: Sorry, but are you calling me a liar, or where you there with me? Yes. I was the very effeminate one.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Bulgaria said: I don't, nor do I care, but that's not what's been debated. You said all the men who were gay were effeminate but you can't know that as you can't quantify how many masculine men were gay as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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