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2 minutes ago, pat blondeau said:


Virtually the entire championship would be spending more without FFP though.
 

And a lot of them have richer owners than us. It’d be like the wild west 

Not many have richer owners than us.

 

Boro have brought a wage cap in £10k a week and Leeds aren't that far away either. 

 

We need to be smarter in what we do and DC does need to waken up and fast of that I do agree.

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2 minutes ago, rawsheffield said:

Really...it is a simple enough equation to solve it just takes Chansiri to admit he's got it wrong the last 5 years (which will never happen).

 

Matchday Prices 

£25 Kop 

£25 Lep (for home fans) Lower Lep given to community sources for each game.

£30 South 

£30 North (with away fans at the Lep end) 

 

£5 discount for members. Membership £30 per year.

 

Season Tickets 

Kop/Lep £350

North/South £450

Kids £99

Students £150

 

Simple and easy to understand.

 

Gets our fans behind both goals. Solves the issue with North Stand entrance and exit as away fans get exclusive use of the gates on the Lep side.

 

Do you think that would bring in more money than we make with the current pricing? The average attendance figures pre Chansiri suggest not...

 

Plus the season ticket figures you've quoted are in line with the 10 year season ticket.

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3 minutes ago, torres said:

 

That is not what was being argued though

 

You said FFP hasn't stopped us spending  - which is totally incorrect 

 

Before FFP DC could have spent £100m a year if he so wished 

 

Whether we have traded correctly or not (which is obvious we haven't) is a different matter 


 

I think you’ll find trading players allows you to spend more 

 

 


 


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Just now, Stoop said:

Most other clubs actually sell players too

 

Im no mathematician but this has got to help from a financial point of view


 

It does

 

not sure why a few folk in this thread are confused about it


 


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1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:


 

I think you’ll find trading players allows you to spend more 

 

 

 

Our problem is we don't raise any income through player sales, which is the core income for every club after ST sales. Our transfer policy is a joke. 

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2 minutes ago, torres said:

 

what has that got to do with the initial argument? FFP has stopped us spending 

 

Other issues are a different discussion 


The initial argument from Lestrade was:

 

‘The galling thing is we finally get a rich owner and due to FFP we are stopped in our tracks.  Then we have to compete against clubs with parachute payments’

 

What I’m saying is that virtually the entire championship have rich owners and they all have to adhere to FFP

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1 hour ago, torres said:

 

The moment DC came in and increased season ticket prices  - it set off alarm bells 

Massively but there was plenty of people on here and other groups lapping it up. Those price hikes and the pricing out of any local businesses was a shocking move. 

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28 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

Love Brentfords model.  The fans are on board they are on the crest of a wave.  Its taken a few seasons and its paying off but their fans have a lower expectations and even getting to this point is a dream come true.

 

Would our fans  have been so patient? 

 

 

we're in the middle of our longest spell outside the top flight in our history - and we still get over 20k attending. Our fans patience is incredible

 

22 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

The galling thing is we finally get a rich owner and due to FFP we are stopped in our tracks.  Then we have to compete against clubs with parachute payments 

 

Less to do with FFP - and more to do with the arrogance and stupidity of our Chairman

 

18 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

If it wasn't there then DC could spend more and maybe even charge less

 

You dont really believe this


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6 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

 

I agree but in doing so trying to be objective in terms of ignoring for a while the fans perspective and giving consideration to those out there on the pitch. They have sense of self entitlement so great that they see a million a year or more well within their range of expectation. This level of expectation is out of kilter with the expense involved in Owlstalks starting blocks.

 

Buy players with potential and sell at profit                              players aren't turned over in the same way anymore. Loans are an ever increasing part of the market.

Improve commercial side of business                                      Shop in situ, the shop is on line.

Increase positive comms to fans                                              Maybe a starting point would be to increase positive comms from fans.

Improve Matchday catering                                                      Yes it V Poor but not dissimilar to many of our competitors. 

Ensure ticket purchasing is easy                                              SAG have played a part here, also on line ticketing needs looking at.                                        

Acquire major sponsorships                                                      Be nice to get someone like Petronas on board. Pre Chansiri corporate was not very profitable. 
Attract corporate partners and keep them                                 Our former corporate partners wanted a big say in pricing, simply it was a none starter.                       

Scout and secure the best youth for academy                          The big boys take the cream of the crop, we fight over the scraps.

 

We have to be patient and see what the end of the season brings. Change must, at the very least sweep over the EFL and hopefully the Premier league. Not too hopeful if the setting up of the womens game is anything to go by. Football at professional level becoming more uncompetitive by the season.   

 

Yet the entire transfer strategy of the two clubs in automatic promotion places last season from the Championship were funded by the transfer of ONE player from each club.

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1 minute ago, David1867 said:

Massively but there was plenty of people on here and other groups lapping it up. Those price hikes and the pricing out of any local businesses was a shocking move. 

The ST prices are very reasonable and provide good value for money (performances aside). The POTG side I agree is not good and has put off thousands, however DC was basing the accounts on ST revenue due to it being guaranteed and POTG is anything but

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6 minutes ago, rawsheffield said:

Really...it is a simple enough equation to solve it just takes Chansiri to admit he's got it wrong the last 5 years (which will never happen).

 

Matchday Prices 

£25 Kop 

£25 Lep (for home fans) Lower Lep given to community sources for each game.

£30 South 

£30 North (with away fans at the Lep end) 

 

£5 discount for members. Membership £30 per year.

 

Season Tickets 

Kop/Lep £350

North/South £450

Kids £99

Students £150

 

Simple and easy to understand.

 

Gets our fans behind both goals. Solves the issue with North Stand entrance and exit as away fans get exclusive use of the gates on the Lep side. 

Nice and simple? With 2000 away fans in the North stand? That will end happily.

 

Home fans like the northstand gives a much better view than the Kop and Lepps.

 

Leave away fans where they are and let Wednesday fans use the lower if they want but doubt there would be a demand. 

 

Rest of it seems fine. 

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4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:


 

I think you’ll find trading players allows you to spend more 

 

 

 

Not sure anyone has argued differently 

 

We all realise under the current rule structure that you need to sell to balance your incomings/outgoings 

 

We are one of if not the worst in the league at this.

 

You just messed up saying FFP hasn't stopped us spending 

 

Without it we could 

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9 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said:

Not many have richer owners than us.

 

Boro have brought a wage cap in £10k a week and Leeds aren't that far away either. 

 

We need to be smarter in what we do and DC does need to waken up and fast of that I do agree.

 

Leeds have a £10k pw wage cap? Have they balls. Radrizzani (the owner) has stated they pay £40m per season in wages and that he is personally paying £1m per month to make it viable. Something that will be interesting the EFL no doubt.

 

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/andrea-radrizzani-revelation-made-as-leeds-united-wage-bill-becomes-a-talking-point/

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3 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

 

we're in the middle of our longest spell outside the top flight in our history - and we still get over 20k attending. Our fans patience is incredible

 

 

Less to do with FFP - and more to do with the arrogance and stupidity of our Chairman

 

 

You dont really believe this

I am all for saying DC has made mistakes but I take it you know him personally to say he is arrogant and stupid? Or is your character assessment just from what you have read and think is true?

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Just now, Minton said:

 

Do you think that would bring in more money than we make with the current pricing? The average attendance figures pre Chansiri suggest not...

I'm unsure whether it would bring in more money looking at it purely from a 'gate receipts' perspective. But...

 

Imagine the boost to the community if it was fully re-engaged...

 

Imagine more bums on seats creating a better atmosphere and general feeling around the club...

 

Imagine if those extra bums on seats visit the club shop, buy a pint (or two halves 👀), or a chip butty...

 

Imagine the kids at £99 for the season, students at £150 per season with the thought that these people may become long term fans who in turn encourage other family members to join them at games because "the atmosphere is good and it's reasonably priced"...

 

Imagine deciding to go to the game at the last minute and not having to trawl through the internet to find and understand the cost and upon finding the cost deciding you can't afford to remortgage the house again.

 

Do you know what, if all of the above started to happen then YES we would make as much revenue as we currently do while charging £40 and pricing out our fan base.

 

This club need to get back to its community roots very quickly or the long term damage will be completely irretrievable.

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4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

Nice and simple? With 2000 away fans in the North stand? That will end happily.

 

Home fans like the northstand gives a much better view than the Kop and Lepps.

 

Leave away fans where they are and let Wednesday fans use the lower if they want but doubt there would be a demand. 

 

Rest of it seems fine. 

The Cantilever was used by away fans after the Hillsborough disaster. They were positioned at the Lep end with Wednesdayites in the Kop end. Very simple to implement.

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Just now, rawsheffield said:

I'm unsure whether it would bring in more money looking at it purely from a 'gate receipts' perspective. But...

 

Imagine the boost to the community if it was fully re-engaged...

 

Imagine more bums on seats creating a better atmosphere and general feeling around the club...

 

Imagine if those extra bums on seats visit the club shop, buy a pint (or two halves 👀), or a chip butty...

 

Imagine the kids at £99 for the season, students at £150 per season with the thought that these people may become long term fans who in turn encourage other family members to join them at games because "the atmosphere is good and it's reasonably priced"...

 

Imagine deciding to go to the game at the last minute and not having to trawl through the internet to find and understand the cost and upon finding the cost deciding you can't afford to remortgage the house again.

 

Do you know what, if all of the above started to happen then YES we would make as much revenue as we currently do while charging £40 and pricing out our fan base.

 

This club need to get back to its community roots very quickly or the long term damage will be completely irretrievable.

 

Except non of that reasoning is based on reality, just what you envisage happening based on your own feelings about SWFC.

 

History suggests that even with cheaper prices, our average gates dont go up with cheaper prices. Some of that is down to the amount of football in pubs and on TV and some is down to casual fans spreading their visits across a season.

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