soldierboyblue Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, pat blondeau said: Virtually the entire championship would be spending more without FFP though. And a lot of them have richer owners than us. It’d be like the wild west Not many have richer owners than us. Boro have brought a wage cap in £10k a week and Leeds aren't that far away either. We need to be smarter in what we do and DC does need to waken up and fast of that I do agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, rawsheffield said: Really...it is a simple enough equation to solve it just takes Chansiri to admit he's got it wrong the last 5 years (which will never happen). Matchday Prices £25 Kop £25 Lep (for home fans) Lower Lep given to community sources for each game. £30 South £30 North (with away fans at the Lep end) £5 discount for members. Membership £30 per year. Season Tickets Kop/Lep £350 North/South £450 Kids £99 Students £150 Simple and easy to understand. Gets our fans behind both goals. Solves the issue with North Stand entrance and exit as away fans get exclusive use of the gates on the Lep side. Do you think that would bring in more money than we make with the current pricing? The average attendance figures pre Chansiri suggest not... Plus the season ticket figures you've quoted are in line with the 10 year season ticket. Edited March 3, 2020 by Minton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, torres said: That is not what was being argued though You said FFP hasn't stopped us spending - which is totally incorrect Before FFP DC could have spent £100m a year if he so wished Whether we have traded correctly or not (which is obvious we haven't) is a different matter I think you’ll find trading players allows you to spend more Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Most other clubs actually sell players too Im no mathematician but this has got to help from a financial point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just now, Stoop said: Most other clubs actually sell players too Im no mathematician but this has got to help from a financial point of view It does not sure why a few folk in this thread are confused about it Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I think you’ll find trading players allows you to spend more Our problem is we don't raise any income through player sales, which is the core income for every club after ST sales. Our transfer policy is a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat blondeau Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, torres said: what has that got to do with the initial argument? FFP has stopped us spending Other issues are a different discussion The initial argument from Lestrade was: ‘The galling thing is we finally get a rich owner and due to FFP we are stopped in our tracks. Then we have to compete against clubs with parachute payments’ What I’m saying is that virtually the entire championship have rich owners and they all have to adhere to FFP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1867 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, torres said: The moment DC came in and increased season ticket prices - it set off alarm bells Massively but there was plenty of people on here and other groups lapping it up. Those price hikes and the pricing out of any local businesses was a shocking move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Love Brentfords model. The fans are on board they are on the crest of a wave. Its taken a few seasons and its paying off but their fans have a lower expectations and even getting to this point is a dream come true. Would our fans have been so patient? we're in the middle of our longest spell outside the top flight in our history - and we still get over 20k attending. Our fans patience is incredible 22 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: The galling thing is we finally get a rich owner and due to FFP we are stopped in our tracks. Then we have to compete against clubs with parachute payments Less to do with FFP - and more to do with the arrogance and stupidity of our Chairman 18 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: If it wasn't there then DC could spend more and maybe even charge less You dont really believe this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: I agree but in doing so trying to be objective in terms of ignoring for a while the fans perspective and giving consideration to those out there on the pitch. They have sense of self entitlement so great that they see a million a year or more well within their range of expectation. This level of expectation is out of kilter with the expense involved in Owlstalks starting blocks. Buy players with potential and sell at profit players aren't turned over in the same way anymore. Loans are an ever increasing part of the market. Improve commercial side of business Shop in situ, the shop is on line. Increase positive comms to fans Maybe a starting point would be to increase positive comms from fans. Improve Matchday catering Yes it V Poor but not dissimilar to many of our competitors. Ensure ticket purchasing is easy SAG have played a part here, also on line ticketing needs looking at. Acquire major sponsorships Be nice to get someone like Petronas on board. Pre Chansiri corporate was not very profitable. Attract corporate partners and keep them Our former corporate partners wanted a big say in pricing, simply it was a none starter. Scout and secure the best youth for academy The big boys take the cream of the crop, we fight over the scraps. We have to be patient and see what the end of the season brings. Change must, at the very least sweep over the EFL and hopefully the Premier league. Not too hopeful if the setting up of the womens game is anything to go by. Football at professional level becoming more uncompetitive by the season. Yet the entire transfer strategy of the two clubs in automatic promotion places last season from the Championship were funded by the transfer of ONE player from each club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, David1867 said: Massively but there was plenty of people on here and other groups lapping it up. Those price hikes and the pricing out of any local businesses was a shocking move. The ST prices are very reasonable and provide good value for money (performances aside). The POTG side I agree is not good and has put off thousands, however DC was basing the accounts on ST revenue due to it being guaranteed and POTG is anything but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, rawsheffield said: Really...it is a simple enough equation to solve it just takes Chansiri to admit he's got it wrong the last 5 years (which will never happen). Matchday Prices £25 Kop £25 Lep (for home fans) Lower Lep given to community sources for each game. £30 South £30 North (with away fans at the Lep end) £5 discount for members. Membership £30 per year. Season Tickets Kop/Lep £350 North/South £450 Kids £99 Students £150 Simple and easy to understand. Gets our fans behind both goals. Solves the issue with North Stand entrance and exit as away fans get exclusive use of the gates on the Lep side. Nice and simple? With 2000 away fans in the North stand? That will end happily. Home fans like the northstand gives a much better view than the Kop and Lepps. Leave away fans where they are and let Wednesday fans use the lower if they want but doubt there would be a demand. Rest of it seems fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think you’ll find trading players allows you to spend more Not sure anyone has argued differently We all realise under the current rule structure that you need to sell to balance your incomings/outgoings We are one of if not the worst in the league at this. You just messed up saying FFP hasn't stopped us spending Without it we could 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: Not many have richer owners than us. Boro have brought a wage cap in £10k a week and Leeds aren't that far away either. We need to be smarter in what we do and DC does need to waken up and fast of that I do agree. Leeds have a £10k pw wage cap? Have they balls. Radrizzani (the owner) has stated they pay £40m per season in wages and that he is personally paying £1m per month to make it viable. Something that will be interesting the EFL no doubt. https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/andrea-radrizzani-revelation-made-as-leeds-united-wage-bill-becomes-a-talking-point/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Grandad said: we're in the middle of our longest spell outside the top flight in our history - and we still get over 20k attending. Our fans patience is incredible Less to do with FFP - and more to do with the arrogance and stupidity of our Chairman You dont really believe this I am all for saying DC has made mistakes but I take it you know him personally to say he is arrogant and stupid? Or is your character assessment just from what you have read and think is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: If anyone can explain why we have the highest ticket prices that would be great Someone has to might as well be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawsheffield Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just now, Minton said: Do you think that would bring in more money than we make with the current pricing? The average attendance figures pre Chansiri suggest not... I'm unsure whether it would bring in more money looking at it purely from a 'gate receipts' perspective. But... Imagine the boost to the community if it was fully re-engaged... Imagine more bums on seats creating a better atmosphere and general feeling around the club... Imagine if those extra bums on seats visit the club shop, buy a pint (or two halves ), or a chip butty... Imagine the kids at £99 for the season, students at £150 per season with the thought that these people may become long term fans who in turn encourage other family members to join them at games because "the atmosphere is good and it's reasonably priced"... Imagine deciding to go to the game at the last minute and not having to trawl through the internet to find and understand the cost and upon finding the cost deciding you can't afford to remortgage the house again. Do you know what, if all of the above started to happen then YES we would make as much revenue as we currently do while charging £40 and pricing out our fan base. This club need to get back to its community roots very quickly or the long term damage will be completely irretrievable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawsheffield Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Nice and simple? With 2000 away fans in the North stand? That will end happily. Home fans like the northstand gives a much better view than the Kop and Lepps. Leave away fans where they are and let Wednesday fans use the lower if they want but doubt there would be a demand. Rest of it seems fine. The Cantilever was used by away fans after the Hillsborough disaster. They were positioned at the Lep end with Wednesdayites in the Kop end. Very simple to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Just now, rawsheffield said: I'm unsure whether it would bring in more money looking at it purely from a 'gate receipts' perspective. But... Imagine the boost to the community if it was fully re-engaged... Imagine more bums on seats creating a better atmosphere and general feeling around the club... Imagine if those extra bums on seats visit the club shop, buy a pint (or two halves ), or a chip butty... Imagine the kids at £99 for the season, students at £150 per season with the thought that these people may become long term fans who in turn encourage other family members to join them at games because "the atmosphere is good and it's reasonably priced"... Imagine deciding to go to the game at the last minute and not having to trawl through the internet to find and understand the cost and upon finding the cost deciding you can't afford to remortgage the house again. Do you know what, if all of the above started to happen then YES we would make as much revenue as we currently do while charging £40 and pricing out our fan base. This club need to get back to its community roots very quickly or the long term damage will be completely irretrievable. Except non of that reasoning is based on reality, just what you envisage happening based on your own feelings about SWFC. History suggests that even with cheaper prices, our average gates dont go up with cheaper prices. Some of that is down to the amount of football in pubs and on TV and some is down to casual fans spreading their visits across a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Minton said: Leeds have a £10k pw wage cap? Have they balls. Radrizzani (the owner) has stated they pay £40m per season in wages and that he is personally paying £1m per month to make it viable. Something that will be interesting the EFL no doubt. https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/andrea-radrizzani-revelation-made-as-leeds-united-wage-bill-becomes-a-talking-point/ I didn't say Leeds have a £10k a week cap I said they are close. I know their Finance Director and believe me that is what stopped Vydra and a few others signing. They operate within a budget, hence why Jannson got moved on (he was apparently despised in the dressing room as well) but they are selling players and that is what makes them a more viable operation, not to mention they are selling the ground out every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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