McRightSide Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 hours ago, prowl said: Because Iorfa has been awful in some games recently. I'm not saying he is awful because he has also been brilliant in other games. He went from being reliable to 'you don't know what you are going to get'. Saturday he was on it and his speed got us out of trouble several times. Let's face it all of our defenders have mistakes in them but they are left exposed by a weak midfield. Bannan isn't a tackler and although Lee is good at intercepting and nicking the ball he's not a hard physical player. I'm not excusing Tom Lees performance on Saturday because it was poor but he has been a good defender. Him and Loovens were excellent. He does seem to need an organiser next to him and I think Westwood helps in that respect but Loovens and Hector going are the big misses.. Out of interest, when was the last time Iorfa played 3 or more consecutive games at CH with Börner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 02/03/2020 at 19:28, McRightSide said: Out of interest, when was the last time Iorfa played 3 or more consecutive games at CH with Börner? Blackburn H Wigan A Millwall H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyowl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 another one feigning injury get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWUTO17 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Shocked at this. Capitain of our club pretending to be injured. Bannan needs to be capitan. He gives his all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 How is he pretending to be injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, scram said: How is he pretending to be injured? Can you a muscle pull that causes pain that can't be picked up on a scan? I know it's common for things like MRIs on back pain to be BS, but what about muscle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffwed1 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 5 hours ago, WAWAWUTO17 said: Shocked at this. Capitain of our club pretending to be injured. Bannan needs to be capitan. He gives his all. Bannan definitely should not be the captain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Burnsie said: Can you a muscle pull that causes pain that can't be picked up on a scan? I know it's common for things like MRIs on back pain to be BS, but what about muscle?? It doesn't have to be muscle There are multiple reasons people can feel posterior thigh pain Obviously Monk was an idiot in proclaiming there is nothing "clinically wrong" - if not libellous There obviously is something clinically wrong if the player is complaining of symptoms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, scram said: It doesn't have to be muscle There are multiple reasons people can feel posterior thigh pain Obviously Monk was an idiot in proclaiming there is nothing "clinically wrong" - if not libellous There obviously is something clinically wrong if the player is complaining of symptoms That's what I thought. No serious on the scan might be accurate but doesn't mean the guys not in discomfort. At least that was my layman's perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Time and again i have see scan reports (from the best in the business) where the report will say something along the lines of "symptoms not explained by scan findings" Edited July 3, 2020 by scram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 5 hours ago, scram said: Time and again i have see scan reports (from the best in the business) where the report will say something along the lines of "symptoms not explained by scan findings" But I find it odd the manager would come out and say this if he genuinly trusted Tom Lees, its obvious Monk doesn't and he thinks Lees is taking the pìss out of the club, players and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballmeist Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Regardless of the injury we need to look to part ways with Lees. He us the past and we need to be looking to the future. I won't miss his chipped balls forward that gave away possession time and time again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Another one of the failure crew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I don’t believe the feigning injury that Monk was eluding to, and it is probably another case where the manager would be better keeping council Those type of public digs seem to be Monk’s forte, and are the main reason why his managerial stints always seem to end in tears However, if the plan going forward, is to play with three centre backs, then I don’t think that will suit Lees. Some have said, he’s useful back up to have around, but at this stage of his career, he’s too good to just be back up, especially if he doesn’t fit the system anyway. I like Tom Lees, and in a back four, he’s generally been dependable, but it might be better for him to find a new club now, and allow us to look for a couple of new centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, scram said: It doesn't have to be muscle There are multiple reasons people can feel posterior thigh pain Obviously Monk was an idiot in proclaiming there is nothing "clinically wrong" - if not libellous There obviously is something clinically wrong if the player is complaining of symptoms He's probably suffering from "Westwooditis".. A very rare unexplained condition ... Edited July 4, 2020 by OWLERTON GHOST 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) GM is no idiot hes dealt with injured players and scans in the hundreds, theres more to it than the scan for him to say that, either than or hes totally lost it which i doubt, if anything he looks 10 years younger to me Edited July 4, 2020 by keepitsteel89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I'm sure Monk is an accomplished radiologist and an adept reader of scans Still doesn't make him able to ascertain whether anybody is felling any symptoms In fact he contradicted himself by saying that they would see what Lees reported as symptoms and also that there was nothing clinically wrong with him if somebody is claiming symptoms then there is something clinically wrong So maybe Monk isn't such an expert in injuries and imaging... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dagmeister's Shadow said: Personally I didn't detect a dig at Lees. Just giving an update. Lees felt a tightening; scans show nothing so hopefully he'll soon be ready for action. Think he was just saying how it is. We're dictated by Tom and how he feels. We'll see if he's able to train this morning. We go by his symptoms and how he feels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeder Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 5 hours ago, scram said: I'm sure Monk is an accomplished radiologist and an adept reader of scans Still doesn't make him able to ascertain whether anybody is felling any symptoms In fact he contradicted himself by saying that they would see what Lees reported as symptoms and also that there was nothing clinically wrong with him if somebody is claiming symptoms then there is something clinically wrong So maybe Monk isn't such an expert in injuries and imaging... There is clearly a clinical presentation. Whether or not it accounts in the medical sense for what is 'wrong' is a different matter. From the sound of your experience you'll know that as well as I (?) I am not saying that in the case of Lees this is a factor btw.... know nothing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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