Spondon Owl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Mister Soul said: I’ll say it and have said it for weeks. To the point of people having a dig at me! He is not up to it and he has become a nervous virus throughout the team. They don’t trust him, they don’t believe in him. Say what you like about Monk ( that’s a different issue) but Lees cannot play for the club again! Ever again? I'm not saying you're wrong about his form and his indecision... but ever again.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, DidOwl said: Find this a bit ott. For a number of seasons, he beat everyone in the air and scored some good headers. He was, for those seasons, the epitome of consistency. I agree he has become less effective and his ability to do more than pass sideways or backwards has waned. Today, he lost confidence and I’m sure he was taking his shirt off as he went down the tunnel at the end of the first half - acknowledging a poor performance. As or the captaincy, it is bestowed and not asked for. I doubt he either sought or wanted it. He’s been a good, hardworking, servant and his time may be over, but don’t over-exaggerate. It happens to all players mate..Loovens had some shockers in his final season... Unluckily for Tom Lees...His shortcomings are highlighted by the state the club is in..same for Dawson to a certain extent. The fans are totally fed up with it both on and off the field...But sadly..Its only ON the field where fans can exercise that frustration....and on here to certin extent. So everything is blown out of proportion. If you support Hutch...You can't support Monk If you support Westwood , you have to blow every Dawson mistake up to elephantine proportions... Its a mess...We are a mess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Mister Soul said: I’ll say it and have said it for weeks. To the point of people having a dig at me! He is not up to it and he has become a nervous virus throughout the team. They don’t trust him, they don’t believe in him. Say what you like about Monk ( that’s a different issue) but Lees cannot play for the club again! bit harsh. he needs a spell on the bench to get his head straight. Looked a nervous wreck today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoadABallacks Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 He’s a shambles at the moment. It’s almost embarrassing watching it at times. Can’t figure out what’s happened to him. Getting progressively worse as each season goes by. For the most part this season he’s been average at best at defending, he’s woeful with the ball at his feet and shows no leadership at all. Don’t see what he offers to the team at the moment and needs dropping for his own and the teams benefit. a telling point towards the end of he first half when Lee was under pressure. Had a simple lay off to Lees, Lee looked up, saw that Lees was his only option and instead turned away putting himself under more pressure. His team mates don’t even have confidence in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Been a fantastic player for us, part of the team to beat the record for clean sheets. Going through a bad time at the moment. Don’t think the captaincy is helping him or us. Needs a spell out of the team, but also needs our support because he can still be a top defender on his day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Think today was his worst performance for us. I’d have breathalysed him after that, looked p1ssed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanningtonowl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, asteener1867 said: If you can't expect a professional football player to make a simple pass..without having to cover him..What the f.ook are the team gonna do? You would go nowhere...It was Lees fault...irrespective of what his team mates around him did... "I better not make this run down the line in case he volleys it towards his own net?" You can't play like that Is that first sentence still on about Bannan? Edited February 29, 2020 by stanningtonowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I don’t wish to be too harsh but I think it’s time he’s moved on next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 He’s making the mistakes you’d expect of someone 10 years younger than him. I think players often settle into a complacent comfort after being at a club for a long time. Unfortunately that complacency has led to him just becoming an error-strewn liability. He has to be moved on in the summer for me, even before his performances in the last month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Been a great signing for us but has deteriorated quite badly recently, Some games he looks his old self like against Charlton and the opposite today . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 hours ago, S72 Owl said: Been a fantastic player for us, part of the team to beat the record for clean sheets. Going through a bad time at the moment. Don’t think the captaincy is helping him or us. Needs a spell out of the team, but also needs our support because he can still be a top defender on his day. I agree with most of that but he is now past it. his ball distribution was never owt special and now it’s pathetic. His inability to trap a bag of wet cement isn’t helping either. Was good, isn’t now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_wells Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 hours ago, crookesowl said: bit harsh. he needs a spell on the bench to get his head straight. Looked a nervous wreck today. Would you trust him to come on and do a job if needed? I think he'd be dreading coming on, let alone the fans. I just dont think he's right mentally, confidence and professional concentration is absolutely shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 hours ago, crookesowl said: bit harsh. he needs a spell on the bench to get his head straight. Looked a nervous wreck today. Has for weeks .. with all the other poo going on few have noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 hours ago, stanningtonowl said: Bannan doesn’t drop back 20 yards to cover Lees. He drops back so it makes his back pass to the keeper easier. Slag Lees off,but don’t excuse Bannan for what he does. Missing the point by a mile.. Bannan was dropping back to try and receive the ball ... things have changed recently but ultimately he was being dragged into a vacuum of confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 hours ago, DidOwl said: Find this a bit ott. For a number of seasons, he beat everyone in the air and scored some good headers. He was, for those seasons, the epitome of consistency. I agree he has become less effective and his ability to do more than pass sideways or backwards has waned. Today, he lost confidence and I’m sure he was taking his shirt off as he went down the tunnel at the end of the first half - acknowledging a poor performance. As or the captaincy, it is bestowed and not asked for. I doubt he either sought or wanted it. He’s been a good, hardworking, servant and his time may be over, but don’t over-exaggerate. His confidence went weeks ago. Where have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 6 hours ago, bolton9owl said: Totally agree but based on their performance since Xmas neither should 2/3rds of the bloody team !!!!! I think the rest of the team need some direction when they cross the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 hours ago, debram said: To be fair he had a decent game against Charlton and Iorfa has been going through a sticky patch, he may be a victim of the summer overhaul though. Iorfa has looked a suicidal nervous reck when Lees has stepped on the pitch..and I recognise why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCOWl Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Lomas613 said: Well I would normally defend him but when my defending of him is better than his ability to defend then theres no point. Wtf was he doing with that second goal. Yes he lost the ball but the lack of busting a gut to get back up and chase the ball back screams hes passed it to me wtf. Hes getting effortless why we dont have the iorfa borner partnership confused me too Me too. I've seen the comments on here over the last few weeks and thought what an over reaction but today - wow! Shocking performance and as you say to give the ball away and then not give a poo about trying to get it back and recover his ballack summed it up. You could see he didn't want to be anywhere near that pitch today - he's confidence is absolutely shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelman Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Lees has gone - Get rid. I also don’t get the big love-in for Börner. He’s a terrible footballer and should be sent back to Germany. I’m afraid it’s going to be League 1 football at Premier League prices next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 13 hours ago, Weshallovercome said: I think Loovens must be a hypnotist. There’s another factor I think. Lees was gash under Jos as well. I think Lees needs a vocal goalkeeper behind him giving him guidance. Under Monk and Jos that hasn’t been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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