thekimmyowl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 It’s funny how people view things, I thought KLee was the pick of the players who started the match, always trying to make something happen, always wanted the ball and had a good 2nd half, the substitutions made a massive difference and Iorfa and Windass would be the 1st names on the next team sheet. After 5 mins I realised Fletcher shouldn’t have started, he wasn’t his usual workmanlike self, miles off the pace. if Monk can’t see that he is making massive mistakes in selection and tactics why does he so often need to make changes at half time and even prior to that today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Windass for me. Ridiculous that he was dropped after the Barnsley game when he scored. He needs to start our next league game. I’m sick of watching the same old crap in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Birstall Owl said: Another Windass vote Im not sure who was more shocked at the through balls us or the strikers. I've been saying for weeks we never put crosses into the box from the 18 yard line or further it's always close to the touchline and an easy clearance for the opposition defender, must be so frustrating for our strikers that very rarely have a ball to attack. We do it once today and score! I also still think we play Carlos Ball, left, right, back players turning inside when there is empty space in front of them, we also have to go through Bannan for everything which stiffles us. On that note BB can only dream of playing the coming deep role like Rooney did today, might as well have had his slippers on it was that easy. Agreed, but we are talking totally different class of player - the only reason Bannan is with us is because he couldn’t hack it in the Premier League. The occasions when he ‘runs the game’ as some suggest usually come against poor sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy30 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Tom lees man of match against Charlton now should never play again? He had another mare today but to be honest it shows that only one out of Lees and borner can play as there so slow. Borner made mistake second half but Iorfa got back to cover. Wouldn’t have been case if in first half. Murphy man of the match him and windass linked up well second half and only threat was coming down that right side. Dawson needs a rest to see how the back line perform in front of someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) Dawson 5 conceded 3 again. Could do nothing about first and third but soft hands AGAIN for the second.When will people realize he isn’t good enough? Palmer 5 poor. Strangely better as a third cb in second half Lees 1 Abysmal performance and at fault for two of the goals. He was excellent in f midweek which makes it more frustrating. Borner 5 too slow. Not good enough for the Championship Fox 5 was poor today. Back to the Fox of the last few seasons Murphy 6.5 our best player in the last month. Never gives up and an assist For the goal Bannan 4 awful. Looked scared of Rooney Lee 4 very poor Harris 2 shocking performance. Continually lost the ball which cost goals. What’s happened to him? Forestieri 5 did nothing Fletcher 4 too early to start him. Injured again?? Wickham 4 so poor again. Bad miss too Windass 8 I thought he was excellent. Involved in everything second half Iorfa 7.5 very good. Had a point to prove Monk 5 actually felt sorry for him today. Basically same as Wednesday night yet they perform like that in the first half. He still has to go though before it’s too late because we are going down! Monk out!! Edited February 29, 2020 by Kagoshimaowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Mowly Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I gave it to Murphy - thought he offered a threat a there was a purpose to his play the whole game. Thought Lee did ok and Fox was pretty good. Windass was everywhere in the2nd half and never wasted the ball, but it was at a time when Derby just sat back and let us play infront of them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Windass for me. Ridiculous that he was dropped after the Barnsley game when he scored. He needs to start our next league game. I’m sick of watching the same old crap in midfield. It’s so ridiculous that he was dropped after the Barnsley game that he wasn’t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Dawson- 5/10, not at fault but his confidence is round his ankles again, which is a worry Palmer- 6/10. Kept going as usual Lees- 2/10. Looked panic stricken every time he touched the ball Borner- 5/10 struggled with the chaos all around him in the first half Fox- 4/10. So wasteful when in good areas Bannan- 3/10. Worst game in months Lee 4/10, can’t get about the pitch anymore like he used to Harris-3/10 confidence shot Murphy- 6/10 tried but very little came off FF- 5/10 back to his usual self Fletcher- 6. Worked hard as usual Windass- 8/10. Mom. Always wanted the ball, kept pushing Wickham- 4/10. very disappointed with him so far. Not fit. More suitable for love island than football atm Iorfa - 7/10 Didn’t put a foot wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 13 hours ago, McRightSide said: Dawson - 5. Should have done much better with the second. Another game where most of the shots on target go in. Fox - 5 looks unsure of himself Börner - 6 much better with a bit of pace next to him Lees - 1 WTF WAS THAT? Palmer - 5. Looks like he’s getting fat again to me Murphy - 7 comfortably out MOTM Bannan - 6 probably lucky to be on the pitch at the end, but involved in all the good stuff we did (which wasn’t much really) Lee - 4 thought he was way off today Harris - 1 WTF WAS THAT. Hasn’t performed for months. Fletcher - 4 insignificant FF - 5 battled right to the wire, but ineffective Everyone was saying Fox is now the white Roberto Carlos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 35 minutes ago, heppers said: Everyone was saying Fox is now the white Roberto Carlos? Personally I don’t think he’s fully fit. Looks a little edgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Personally I don’t think he’s fully fit. Looks a little edgy Personally I think he’s not doing anything different to he has ever done Just a period when the team were getting results, he was in the team and no one wanted him to feel upset. He is ok as back up when needs must at left back. We would be giving him a contract on the basis of an average 2 months out of 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Dawson 5 Palmer 4 Lees 0 Borner 3 Fox 3 Murphy 5 Lee 2 Bannan 3 Harris 1 Fletcher 3 Forestieri 3 Wickham 3 Iorfa 6 Windass 6 Wayne Rooney was a pleasure to watch. Never broke sweat and dictated the game. Think he gave the ball away once towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Dawson - 6 - Yet again, hopelessly exposed by the defensive line in front of him. No chance with the 1st goal, which was cruel, he might be a tad disappointed not to get something on the 2nd, and no chance with the 3rd. Made a great save at 1-0 to deny Lawrence in the one-on-one. Palmer - 5 - One of the main contributors to our slow, negative start. Constantly turning back, playing across the defence, taking the easy option. And too often, when he can pass forward, he just hopelessly hoofs it. It's one extreme to the other. Improved defensively in 2nd half, but that was a general trend amongst everybody. Lees - 3 - I thought he was brilliant in the week, lead by example, and had seemed to thrive on the responsibility to turn the ship around. But yesterday, was yet another example, of when things going against him, he just doesn't know how to respond. Looked a beaten man by the end of the half. Borner - 5 - Looks so much better with Iorfa at the side of him. Looked hesitant and soft in the tackle at times in the 1st half, but improved hugely in the 2nd half. Fox - 5 - Got caught in No Man's Land in the build up to the 1st goal, and struggled with his distribution (although, that was largely down to a lack of options), but at least he tries to play through the thirds positively. Had a lot of opportunities to deliver the ball from good positions yesterday, but felt his quality was pretty poor. Bannan - 6 - Back to the recurring issue, of not been able to control the midfield. He and Lee just didn't lay a glove on any of Derby's midfield trio in the 1st half. Played well in the 2nd half, and began to dictate the tempo. Fortunate not to be sent off however. Lee - 6 - Similar to Bannan. Spectator in the 1st half who just ran around chasing shadows. Never got close to any Derby player, and had zero influence on the game. 2nd half, began to get into those areas where he can effect things. Harris - 4 - A really poor day at the office. At fault for the 3rd goal, and by that point, the nail was in the coffin. He's not a player that can receive the ball facing his own, and make something happen. If he plays, we need to get him into positions where he can effect the game. It's no wonder why his better performances have come away from home. Murphy - 8 - Man of the Match - He had a quiet 1st half, which was probably a positive. But 2nd half, in that wing back role, he was brilliant. Full of running, always wanting to make things happen and take risks. Put in three or four fantastic deliveries into the box...unfortunately only one of them was gotten on the end of. Deserves a lot of credit for yesterday's performance. Forestieri - 5 - Both attackers had nothing to work with in the 1st half, had more impact in the 2nd half, but someway off his best. Fletcher - 5 - Quiet, feeding off scraps. Couple of half decent efforts, but probably wise to withdraw him at half time, given the game was all-but gone, and Monk will have been mindful of asking too much from him, too soon. Wickham - 5 - Another performance which asks more questions, than reveals answers. Looks slow, clumbersome, and just generally off the pace. Windass - 7 - Impressive cameo appearance. Showed a good burst of pace on occasions, got about the pitch, and looked to effects thing. Gambled well to get on the end of one of Murphy's dangerous balls into the box. Iorfa - 7 - Couple moments of dread, but we look so much more dynamic and athletic when he's in the back line. Overall... Even before the game was gone, it was yet another example when the players come out and play at their own pedestrian pace, favouring safety over penetration and unwilling to work themselves into the game. I see the knives are back out for Monk...but how many times have we seen these exact type of 1st half performances at Hillsborough over the years? Too often...at some point, you have to look further than the manager. Monk...and the managers before him, don't tell those players to pass it sideways, stroll about, sit back. And too often over the years, we've got away with it. Because we've gone in 1-0 down, still in the game, and turned it around, with the type of performance we showed in the 2nd half. The sequence of results (and performances) isn't good enough. That's a fact. There's no dressing it up. And Monk ultimately has to take some responsibility for that, and he accepts that. But, those goals yesterday were nothing to do with tactics or lack of preparation...a deflected effort from a hopeful shot and two inexplicable individual errors. No manager can plan or circumvent those events. I thought the response in the 2nd half was commendable. But it just adds to the frustration...because it just shows that these players are capable of playing on the front foot, they just choose not to. Furthermore, I think yesterday highlighted how Monk would like us to play long term (if he gets chance). In recent weeks he's shown his willingness to play three at the back, but has rightly reverted back to basics to arrest the slump. But the 3-4-1-2 is a formation that suits many of our players. It'll be interesting to see what he does in the coming weeks, when the fixtures begin to turn for the worse. Does he stick with a back four or switch to a back three? Can he risk playing Murphy at right wing back, when playing the likes of Brentford and WBA? 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Owl 44 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, frastheowl said: Dawson - 6 - Yet again, hopelessly exposed by the defensive line in front of him. No chance with the 1st goal, which was cruel, he might be a tad disappointed not to get something on the 2nd, and no chance with the 3rd. Made a great save at 1-0 to deny Lawrence in the one-on-one. Palmer - 5 - One of the main contributors to our slow, negative start. Constantly turning back, playing across the defence, taking the easy option. And too often, when he can pass forward, he just hopelessly hoofs it. It's one extreme to the other. Improved defensively in 2nd half, but that was a general trend amongst everybody. Lees - 3 - I thought he was brilliant in the week, lead by example, and had seemed to thrive on the responsibility to turn the ship around. But yesterday, was yet another example, of when things going against him, he just doesn't know how to respond. Looked a beaten man by the end of the half. Borner - 5 - Looks so much better with Iorfa at the side of him. Looked hesitant and soft in the tackle at times in the 1st half, but improved hugely in the 2nd half. Fox - 5 - Got caught in No Man's Land in the build up to the 1st goal, and struggled with his distribution (although, that was largely down to a lack of options), but at least he tries to play through the thirds positively. Had a lot of opportunities to deliver the ball from good positions yesterday, but felt his quality was pretty poor. Bannan - 6 - Back to the recurring issue, of not been able to control the midfield. He and Lee just didn't lay a glove on any of Derby's midfield trio in the 1st half. Played well in the 2nd half, and began to dictate the tempo. Fortunate not to be sent off however. Lee - 6 - Similar to Bannan. Spectator in the 1st half who just ran around chasing shadows. Never got close to any Derby player, and had zero influence on the game. 2nd half, began to get into those areas where he can effect things. Harris - 4 - A really poor day at the office. At fault for the 3rd goal, and by that point, the nail was in the coffin. He's not a player that can receive the ball facing his own, and make something happen. If he plays, we need to get him into positions where he can effect the game. It's no wonder why his better performances have come away from home. Murphy - 8 - Man of the Match - He had a quiet 1st half, which was probably a positive. But 2nd half, in that wing back role, he was brilliant. Full of running, always wanting to make things happen and take risks. Put in three or four fantastic deliveries into the box...unfortunately only one of them was gotten on the end of. Deserves a lot of credit for yesterday's performance. Forestieri - 5 - Both attackers had nothing to work with in the 1st half, had more impact in the 2nd half, but someway off his best. Fletcher - 5 - Quiet, feeding off scraps. Couple of half decent efforts, but probably wise to withdraw him at half time, given the game was all-but gone, and Monk will have been mindful of asking too much from him, too soon. Wickham - 5 - Another performance which asks more questions, than reveals answers. Looks slow, clumbersome, and just generally off the pace. Windass - 7 - Impressive cameo appearance. Showed a good burst of pace on occasions, got about the pitch, and looked to effects thing. Gambled well to get on the end of one of Murphy's dangerous balls into the box. Iorfa - 7 - Couple moments of dread, but we look so much more dynamic and athletic when he's in the back line. Overall... Even before the game was gone, it was yet another example when the players come out and play at their own pedestrian pace, favouring safety over penetration and unwilling to work themselves into the game. I see the knives are back out for Monk...but how many times have we seen these exact type of 1st half performances at Hillsborough over the years? Too often...at some point, you have to look further than the manager. Monk...and the managers before him, don't tell those players to pass it sideways, stroll about, sit back. And too often over the years, we've got away with it. Because we've gone in 1-0 down, still in the game, and turned it around, with the type of performance we showed in the 2nd half. The sequence of results (and performances) isn't good enough. That's a fact. There's no dressing it up. And Monk ultimately has to take some responsibility for that, and he accepts that. But, those goals yesterday were nothing to do with tactics or lack of preparation...a deflected effort from a hopeful shot and two inexplicable individual errors. No manager can plan or circumvent those events. I thought the response in the 2nd half was commendable. But it just adds to the frustration...because it just shows that these players are capable of playing on the front foot, they just choose not to. Furthermore, I think yesterday highlighted how Monk would like us to play long term (if he gets chance). In recent weeks he's shown his willingness to play three at the back, but has rightly reverted back to basics to arrest the slump. But the 3-4-1-2 is a formation that suits many of our players. It'll be interesting to see what he does in the coming weeks, when the fixtures begin to turn for the worse. Does he stick with a back four or switch to a back three? Can he risk playing Murphy at right wing back, when playing the likes of Brentford and WBA? Good post. Agree with all of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzman Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, frastheowl said: Dawson - 6 - Yet again, hopelessly exposed by the defensive line in front of him. No chance with the 1st goal, which was cruel, he might be a tad disappointed not to get something on the 2nd, and no chance with the 3rd. Made a great save at 1-0 to deny Lawrence in the one-on-one. Palmer - 5 - One of the main contributors to our slow, negative start. Constantly turning back, playing across the defence, taking the easy option. And too often, when he can pass forward, he just hopelessly hoofs it. It's one extreme to the other. Improved defensively in 2nd half, but that was a general trend amongst everybody. Lees - 3 - I thought he was brilliant in the week, lead by example, and had seemed to thrive on the responsibility to turn the ship around. But yesterday, was yet another example, of when things going against him, he just doesn't know how to respond. Looked a beaten man by the end of the half. Borner - 5 - Looks so much better with Iorfa at the side of him. Looked hesitant and soft in the tackle at times in the 1st half, but improved hugely in the 2nd half. Fox - 5 - Got caught in No Man's Land in the build up to the 1st goal, and struggled with his distribution (although, that was largely down to a lack of options), but at least he tries to play through the thirds positively. Had a lot of opportunities to deliver the ball from good positions yesterday, but felt his quality was pretty poor. Bannan - 6 - Back to the recurring issue, of not been able to control the midfield. He and Lee just didn't lay a glove on any of Derby's midfield trio in the 1st half. Played well in the 2nd half, and began to dictate the tempo. Fortunate not to be sent off however. Lee - 6 - Similar to Bannan. Spectator in the 1st half who just ran around chasing shadows. Never got close to any Derby player, and had zero influence on the game. 2nd half, began to get into those areas where he can effect things. Harris - 4 - A really poor day at the office. At fault for the 3rd goal, and by that point, the nail was in the coffin. He's not a player that can receive the ball facing his own, and make something happen. If he plays, we need to get him into positions where he can effect the game. It's no wonder why his better performances have come away from home. Murphy - 8 - Man of the Match - He had a quiet 1st half, which was probably a positive. But 2nd half, in that wing back role, he was brilliant. Full of running, always wanting to make things happen and take risks. Put in three or four fantastic deliveries into the box...unfortunately only one of them was gotten on the end of. Deserves a lot of credit for yesterday's performance. Forestieri - 5 - Both attackers had nothing to work with in the 1st half, had more impact in the 2nd half, but someway off his best. Fletcher - 5 - Quiet, feeding off scraps. Couple of half decent efforts, but probably wise to withdraw him at half time, given the game was all-but gone, and Monk will have been mindful of asking too much from him, too soon. Wickham - 5 - Another performance which asks more questions, than reveals answers. Looks slow, clumbersome, and just generally off the pace. Windass - 7 - Impressive cameo appearance. Showed a good burst of pace on occasions, got about the pitch, and looked to effects thing. Gambled well to get on the end of one of Murphy's dangerous balls into the box. Iorfa - 7 - Couple moments of dread, but we look so much more dynamic and athletic when he's in the back line. Overall... Even before the game was gone, it was yet another example when the players come out and play at their own pedestrian pace, favouring safety over penetration and unwilling to work themselves into the game. I see the knives are back out for Monk...but how many times have we seen these exact type of 1st half performances at Hillsborough over the years? Too often...at some point, you have to look further than the manager. Monk...and the managers before him, don't tell those players to pass it sideways, stroll about, sit back. And too often over the years, we've got away with it. Because we've gone in 1-0 down, still in the game, and turned it around, with the type of performance we showed in the 2nd half. The sequence of results (and performances) isn't good enough. That's a fact. There's no dressing it up. And Monk ultimately has to take some responsibility for that, and he accepts that. But, those goals yesterday were nothing to do with tactics or lack of preparation...a deflected effort from a hopeful shot and two inexplicable individual errors. No manager can plan or circumvent those events. I thought the response in the 2nd half was commendable. But it just adds to the frustration...because it just shows that these players are capable of playing on the front foot, they just choose not to. Furthermore, I think yesterday highlighted how Monk would like us to play long term (if he gets chance). In recent weeks he's shown his willingness to play three at the back, but has rightly reverted back to basics to arrest the slump. But the 3-4-1-2 is a formation that suits many of our players. It'll be interesting to see what he does in the coming weeks, when the fixtures begin to turn for the worse. Does he stick with a back four or switch to a back three? Can he risk playing Murphy at right wing back, when playing the likes of Brentford and WBA? At last, someone reasoned and constructive who sees what is actually happening and where the actual problem areas are. Not just going for the same scapegoats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, torres said: Personally I think he’s not doing anything different to he has ever done Just a period when the team were getting results, he was in the team and no one wanted him to feel upset. He is ok as back up when needs must at left back. We would be giving him a contract on the basis of an average 2 months out of 3 years. He’s been fine for the best part of 2 years. Yes we need another LB in Summer to compete with him, but there are lots more pressing issues... GK RB CM RW CF All come before left back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie snerklebox Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Murphy kept plugging away so he gets my vote. Though Windass was excellent too, also Iorfa. The rest were utter pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, McRightSide said: He’s been fine for the best part of 2 years. Yes we need another LB in Summer to compete with him, but there are lots more pressing issues... GK RB CM RW CF All come before left back I agree for 2-3 years he’s been exactly the same. For a month or 2 when everyone was garbage he had his best form - still average but looked the best of a terrible bunch. To offer him a new contract would be going round in circles in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 15 hours ago, yeadonowl said: Dawson 5 didn’t make any saves and still let 3 goals in Palmer 2 a player of his limited ability making 200 appearances says a lot about where we are Fox 5 ok Lees 0 the less said the better Borner 5 ok Bannan 4 pretty anonymous for most of the game Lee 4 should have scored. Don’t think he’s championship standard anymore Harris 0 awful for a while now Murphy 6 ok some dangerous crosses and an assist, should have scored though from Wickhams pass Fletcher 4 meh FF 4 didn’t look interested to me Wickham 6 got better as the game went on. Clever movement in the second half Iorfa 7 showed everyone else how to do it Windass 7 MOM never stopped and grabbed a deserved goal. Has to start at Brentford next week He ran his bloody socks off. Was one of the only ones who did !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 16 hours ago, prowl said: Lees was a disaster. Dawson a bit weak on the second but no chance on the first. Can't be expected to save the third when the defence leave him exposed. Fox was decent. Bannan was better second half. Lee was busy and made some good runs. Harris, should have stayed in bed this morning. Murphy had a good game, full of running but his final ball is erratic, at least he wanted the ball. Why did Fletcher go off.? Forestieri tried but nothing came off, he was all over the pitch when he should have been up front. Wickham was lively but I wish he would concentrate on being in and around the area. When we put the ball in he's nowhere to be seen Iorfa was very very good when he came on, saved us a few times with his pace and determination. Windass was man of the match, He was everywhere, wanted the ball, clever play, good positioninggood passing and scored the goal. If he carries on like that I'd like to see us sign him. Good assesment that. I still dont have the heart to think about it too deeply. The pigeons made it bearable for me. Its going to be a long hard struggle now for Monk. No mistakes against Charlton, but Derby's better midfield players destroyed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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